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  Advice needed on Crisis of Conscience

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so, some of you may have seen my thread from yesterday about my wife waking up.. we had further discussion yesterday evening after i sent her the pbs video on the abuse scandals plaguing the watchtower.

  she was so furious and pissed off at wt hq.

  apparently a close relative of her's was abused by an elder and the only reason he was reproved and removed as an elder was because he confessed.

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  Or show her from the Elders book where you can be DF'd just for what you think.
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  Leave truth - catch AIDS???

  by JEMIMAH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we had a laugh last weekend at our s.a.dthe visiting speaker was from the london bethel (bcm)during the last talk he was trying to encourage the bros not to read non society lit.

  the example he uses was of a m/s bro who used to really study his wtwell for a sunday, however he occasionally used secular sources to back up his research.. our bethel speaker in order to prove how wrong this was explained very quickly that because of this secular research, "this brother fell away and caught aids".

  the brothers and sisters in the audience where very shocked at the folly of our ex-brother.

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  I also heard that a different brother falsified his field service report and caught ebola.

  And a sister who skipped family worship became pregnant with a demonised gerbil.

  And... and...
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  Child Abuse must be getting out of hand if they're addressing it...

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm referring to the video that was uploaded where they finally mentioned the child abuse issue.

  we all kinda guessed that if they ever addressed it they'd blame it on the media and apostates.

  well, looks like we were spot on.

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  They won't be able to use quotes like these anymore:

  *** w79 4/1 p. 28 Rearing My Sons Without a Husband ***
  Later, while working as a clerk at a court, something happened that further convinced me that it couldn’t be accomplished within the Catholic Church. A priest, who had sexually abused several young girls, was provided by the Church with one of the country’s best lawyers, even though pretrial hearings had established his guilt.

  
  *** g91 10/22 p. 28 Watching the World ***
  Sternak, who is currently writing a book on pedophilia, charges that dioceses in over 20 states use church donations to pay for lawsuits and out-of-court settlements in cases of priestly sexual abuse of children.

  
  *** g90 9/8 p. 29 Watching the World ***
  According to the Star, another lawyer stated that Catholic Church officials, on discovery of child-abuse complaints, have historically kept the priests in the clergy. He said: “Instead of reporting them to the police or booting them out of there like most any other institution, they have, out of loyalty to their own, just moved them around secretly.”

  At the time these were printed, all JW's would have wagged their fingers at the Catholic Church, "We're so much better!"

  Time has proven that the JW organisation is NO better.
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  Hot topic in congregations: having a beard/goatee

  by nevaagain in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am starting this topic because i was wondering, i see many who leave "the truth" are glad because they can finally have a beard.

  is having a beard really a no go in congregations?

  how is / was it in your congregation?.

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  JWFacts has a good summary of this here http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/beards-jehovahs-witnesses.php
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  The Organization is destined to fade away

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the borg might not fall and disappear, but it's sure heading into the oblivion.

  they predicted their future in last week's study.. last week during the cong book study they mentioned the following:.

  15. to illustrate: a supertanker or a freight train might be awesome in terms of size and power.

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  My view is that older ones (40+) who have let the internet pass them by or use it only for emailing, are now the backbone of the congregations.

  Young ones see through it but have their parents (in the 40+ age bracket) pressuring them to stay and get baptised.

  As the older ones go the numbers will drop.
  
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  Lett briefly addresses the child abuse issues in new JW.org video

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just read about this on the ex-jw subreddit.

  link to the video (10m06s).. skip to 7:35 where he says: "another way we can contribute to the oneness - rejecting false stories that are designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

  as an example, think about the apostate-driven lies and 'dishonesties' that jehovah's organization is permissive toward pedophiles.

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  Lett: "As an example, think about the apostate-driven lies and 'dishonesties' that Jehovah's organization is permissive toward pedophiles."

  So Bro Lett, please explain how having a 'two witness' rule is nothing other than a protection for pedophiles?
  This rule facilitates them, enables them, and gives them a way to avoid your judicial processes.

  Does your "Don't tell the congregation there's a pedophile in the congregation" policy assist parents and young ones to protect themselves, or is it more likely to promote the trusting of these known molesters?

  It is easy to say you 'abhor' child abuse, but if you meant it you would do more than repeat a slick soundbite, you would demonstrate that you abhor it by driving it out of the congregation and not appointing such men to positions of trust, while hiding their crimes.

  The proof that you do, in fact, protect pedophiles is becoming clear in courtrooms all around the world, where decades of hiding these men is now coming back to bite you so hard, you are forced to denounce it publicly on your TV channel.
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  lets make something up, so say the writters of the wt magazines

  by sowhatnow in

  1. social
  2. humour

  'ok people, we have 3 awake magazines with 8 pages each to pump out before the end of the month, no politics, no sex, no mention of education, no recreation, no religious topics, no medical advice, limit music only to instruments ' .

  say the gb.

  'oh a deadline, gee, 3 'whole' magazines, and so few topics, what ever will we print in them???

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  I don't think there's much that can be added to the weighty and authoritative 'college' education supplied in the Awake!:

  1972 Nov 22 "Be Careful with Electricity"
  1972 Nov 8 "Home Barbering - Is it for YOU?"
  1972 July 8 "Hey! - Taxi!"
  1981 May 22 "How Safe are Microwave Ovens?"
  1987 Nov 8 "Why is it so Hard to Avoid Masturbation?"
  1987 Nov 8 "Tips for your Cassette Tapes"
  1992 June 8 "Left Handedness - Disadvantage or Advantage?"
  1997 Feb 8 "Grow your own Sprouts"
  2004 Sept 8 "How to Train your Dog"
  2003 March "A Bean that Traveled the World"
  2009 Feb "A Bicycle that Sharpens Knives"
  2011 Sept "What Can I Wear?"

  Far too many life shaping topics to list.
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  It's Over Johnny....The Demise of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by ctrwtf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think i've mentioned before that from time to time my commute on the bqe takes me past the old factory buildings and the soon to be former headquarters building.

  i was struck the other day with how shabby they've become.

  even 25 columbia heights, still currently occupied, its facade is filthy.

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  I don't think there was ever a cash flow problem, I think there was a forecasted cash flow problem, and they mitigated it.

  The corporate accounting managers would have identified the downward trend long ago, flagged it up to the board of directors who in turn would look at ways to stem losses and increase income.

  Here we are a number of years later, seeing all these changes being implemented.
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  Where did this picture of GB singing come from?

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sorry.

  i see it is on jw survey and from one of their earth shaking, mind bending, nausea producing jw.org broadcasts.. .

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  (Luke 20:46, 47) “Beware of the scribes who like to walk around in robes and who love greetings in the marketplaces and front seats in the synagogues and the most prominent places at evening meals, and who devour the houses of the widows and for show make long prayers. These will receive a more severe judgment.”
  
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  Is 1919 Important to the WT?

  by Anon_SA1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know if the wt still claims they were appointed in 1919?

  is there proof of this appointment?

  any ideas where i can find out how they get to this date?

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  I believe this was taken from jwfacts website, but it's a great summary.

  What year did Jesus' Inspection take place, and what was the immediate outcome?
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection - Watchtower May 15, 1951 page 303
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection - Watchtower November 1,1955 page 633
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection - Watchtower January 15, 1960 page 47
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection - Watchtower February 1, 1972 page 79
  Inspection year: 1919 Result: Failed Inspection - Gods K'dom of 1000 Years (1973) p. 231
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection - Yearbook 1975 page 87
  Inspection year: 1919 Result: Passed Inspection - Watchtower Sept 15, 1983 page 20
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection - "Prince of Peace" (1986) page 40 para 8
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection - Watchtower March 15, 1990 page 14
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection - Watchtower May 1, 1993 page 17
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection - Isaiah's Prophecy II (2001) page 396
  Inspection year: 1918 & 1919 Result: Passed Inspection - Watchtower March 1, 2004 page 17
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection - Watchtower April 1, 2007 page 22 par. 5
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection - Watchtower January 15, 2008 page 24
  Inspection year: 1919 Result: Failed Inspection - Watchtower Sept 15, 2012 page 25
  Inspection year: 1914 Result: Failed Inspection - Watchtower July 15, 2013 page 23