Posts by Sauerkraut

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Jason BeDuhn regarding Revelation 7 and the Great Crowd

by Sauerkraut in

a while ago i sent an e-mail to jason beduhn, that the society is quite fond of.

they like to quote him in publications.

so when i started researching the great crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine i thought i might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is.

Sauerkraut

@ Raymond Frantz and Jwfacts: I forwarded the e-mail to both of you. Hope it helps.

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Jason BeDuhn regarding Revelation 7 and the Great Crowd

by Sauerkraut in

a while ago i sent an e-mail to jason beduhn, that the society is quite fond of.

they like to quote him in publications.

so when i started researching the great crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine i thought i might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is.

Sauerkraut

Thanks for the replies. I had already forgotten about my e-mail to Jason BeDuhn, so I was very suprised when I saw his response in my inbox.

@Raymond Frantz: I'll gladly make the e-mail an attachment, but don't know how. I'Ve made a screenshot and uploaded it here: http://pichost.de/images/2012/10/04/QD5E9.png Perhaps someone can explain what ways there are to attach the e-mail here. Thanks.

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Jason BeDuhn regarding Revelation 7 and the Great Crowd

by Sauerkraut in

a while ago i sent an e-mail to jason beduhn, that the society is quite fond of.

they like to quote him in publications.

so when i started researching the great crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine i thought i might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is.

Sauerkraut

A while ago I sent an e-mail to Jason BeDuhn, that the Society is quite fond of. They like to quote him in publications. So when I started researching the Great Crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine I thought I might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (Revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is. Now his opinion certainly won't end all discussion, but it may be food for thought for Witnesses if they are confronted with the opinion of an expert that publications have quoted before, in a favorable and respectful manner.

Yesterday I received a reply and this is it:

"Dear Mr. Xxxxxx.

Thank you for your message, and please forgive my long delay in responding. I have only recently returned from a sabbatical.

Regarding Rev. 7:9, the word enwpion [w = omega] means face to face with someone, or immediately in front of something. While it is true that etymologically it is related to the idea of "in sight," it is not used with this specific meaning, but always in the sense of "right in front of"

In 7.15, the term is naos, which indeed means the inner chamber or sanctuary, the main "dwelling" of the deity, not the outer courtyard.

This appears to be another case (I'm familiar with a few more) where a forced distinction made in JW theology between a small group in heaven and a multitude on earth has biased the translation and interpretation of passages in Revelation.

I hope these answers help.

best wishes,

Jason BeDuhn Professor of Religious Studies Northern Arizona University"

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Was There a First Century Governing Body? - Fred Franz's View

by JWB in

was there a first century governing body?

- fred franz's view.

on 7 september 1975, during the graduation day of the 59th class of gilead, wts president nathan knorr introduced wts vice-president frederick franz to the audience.

Sauerkraut

Who cares about "Old Light"? ;-) Just kidding of course. It was actually helpful to me when I found out about this a year ago. But to most JWs it will have little to no consequence, how many don't even know who Fred Franz is? To them it's simply old light.

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When did the Governing Body leaders turn into pawns of Satan? Have they always been, or is this something recent?

by matt2414 in

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Sauerkraut

They never had "the truth" to begin with. There is no single church or group that has a patent on "the truth".

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I posted Cedars vid on Gerrit, higher education and OCD on my real jw friend's facebook pages . Greetings from Norway to GB and Gerrit! Love from Healthworker

by Healthworker in

jc on the way!

story to be continued!.

Sauerkraut

Indeed, the Vikings still have some fighting spirits. True we are the most trustful people over here in Europe, but for sure we would make a man stand trial for his actions.

Wait, it's not the Germans that are the most trustful? Are you sure?

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I posted Cedars vid on Gerrit, higher education and OCD on my real jw friend's facebook pages . Greetings from Norway to GB and Gerrit! Love from Healthworker

by Healthworker in

jc on the way!

story to be continued!.

Sauerkraut

Beware of Norse wrath! Norse have no remorse.

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Apostasy Trial - Part 5

by RayPublisher in

well part 5 was just put up on youtube!

this is the third 45 minute segment of the 3+ hour meeting.

topics covered include:.

Sauerkraut

When I watch this I feel tremendous relief that I no longer see the Elders as having any authority over men. Most here can sympathize how we used to think we needed to obey them and in a way fear them to keep things, or get things right with God, sometimes at the cost of ones dignity. They need more help than we do.

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Blood Cards :Now they ask for photocopy of the signed document

by raymond frantz in

we have been asked for a photocopy for each of our family's blood signed cards for the congragation's secretary records .we 've never been asked before ,is this a new thing ?

does anyone know more about it ?.

Sauerkraut

Oops, I tore mine to pieces a few days ago and put it in its rightful place- the trash can! I love how much lighter my wallet feels now.

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I posted Cedars vid on Gerrit, higher education and OCD on my real jw friend's facebook pages . Greetings from Norway to GB and Gerrit! Love from Healthworker

by Healthworker in

jc on the way!

story to be continued!.

Sauerkraut

Good luck for the both of you. Don't let'em bully you.