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  How many former Jehovah's Witnesses bury their head in the sand when it comes to reasoning about the NGO "conspiracy"?

  by Change Name in

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  hi all - sure sure, you can call me a troll or brainwashed cult member.

  i am totally interested in how your answers to these questions.. .

  do you find yourself ignoring anything that jehovah's witnesses bring out in regards to their former status as an ngo?.

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  konceptual99

  Hey ChangeName,

  I was not aware of the JJ website you linked to until I read this thread. I took a look and found it pretty interesting.

  I would agree that on the face of it, it does present some compelling arguments that would suggest those that are calling out the WTS on this matter are exaggerating the facts and making a mountain out of a mole hill.

  The problem is that it does not address the real issue - i.e. if any rank & file member of the congregation had even an informal relationship with a disapproved organisation then they would face some kind of sanction, perhaps even disfellowshipping, from the congregation. The WTS are hypocrites in the regard regardless of their intent in becoming an affiliated NGO.

  I then read the PDF on jwfacts which is an excellent analysis of the JJ site. It presented a number of arguments and points that completely pull the rug from under the JJ stance and get to the nub of the matter. This article does anything but bury it's head in the sand. It examines each point and presents an honest appraisal of the merit of each as objective statements of fact.

  After having looked at original content on the matter, the JJ site and the jwfacts essay, I have to conclude that the NGO issue remains a standout example of WTS hypocrisy, evidence that the what the WTS says and what it does are different and yet another case of where bending the rules to suit your purposes is something the WTS is prepared to do anytime it wants but will never afford the same luxury to dear old Bro. or Sis. Lowly.
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  Clive Burr RIP

  by cantleave in

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  of course in my youth he was considered part of a demonic band!.

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  konceptual99

  And Peter Banks (Yes) as well...
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  Seven Thousand Year Creative Day still being taught (as of 2005)

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a photo of a gilead instructor (br.

  liverance) teaching a class on chronology.. the photo appears in a blog entry dated 5-21-2005.. note the "6,000" and "1,000" periods in the timeline drawn on the whiteboard.. i thought the 7,000 year creative day was no longer taught, but apparently it still is at gilead, at least in the year 2005.. (picture cannot be embedded here for some reason, so here is the link to it).

  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ydnht0xya-4/sbukuolyzei/aaaaaaaaacs/t-rgxaammbg/s1600-h/chronology+%28br.+liverance%29.jpg.

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  The decoupling of the creative days goes back to at least 88.... I have NEVER realised that. I've been a thicky for years....

  *** rs p. 88 Creation ***

  Was all physical creation accomplished in just six days sometime within the past 6,000 to 10,000 years?

  The facts disagree with such a conclusion: (1) Light from the Andromeda nebula can be seen on a clear night in the northern hemisphere. It takes about 2,000,000 years for that light to reach the earth, indicating that the universe must be at least millions of years old. (2) End products of radioactive decay in rocks in the earth testify that some rock formations have been undisturbed for billions of years.

  Genesis 1:3-31 is not discussing the original creation of matter or of the heavenly bodies. It describes the preparation of the already existing earth for human habitation. This included creation of the basic kinds of vegetation, marine life, flying creatures, land animals, and the first human pair. All of this is said to have been done within a period of six “days.” However, the Hebrew word translated “day” has a variety of meanings, including ‘a long time; the time covering an extraordinary event.’ (Old Testament Word Studies, Grand Rapids, Mich.; 1978, W. Wilson, p. 109) The term used allows for the thought that each “day” could have been thousands of years in length.

  *** it-1 p. 527 Creation *** The Scriptures, in stating, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Ge 1:1), leave matters indefinite as to time. This use of the term “beginning” is therefore unassailable, regardless of the age scientists may seek to attach to the earthly globe and to the various planets and other heavenly bodies. The actual time of creation of the material heavens and earth may have been billions of years ago.
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  Seven Thousand Year Creative Day still being taught (as of 2005)

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a photo of a gilead instructor (br.

  liverance) teaching a class on chronology.. the photo appears in a blog entry dated 5-21-2005.. note the "6,000" and "1,000" periods in the timeline drawn on the whiteboard.. i thought the 7,000 year creative day was no longer taught, but apparently it still is at gilead, at least in the year 2005.. (picture cannot be embedded here for some reason, so here is the link to it).

  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ydnht0xya-4/sbukuolyzei/aaaaaaaaacs/t-rgxaammbg/s1600-h/chronology+%28br.+liverance%29.jpg.

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  This is the next reference from the Awake of 06. Is it me or is it a bit similar?

  *** g 9/06 p. 19 Does Science Contradict the Genesis Account? ***

  When Was “the Beginning”?

  The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.

  Geologists estimate that the earth is approximately 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science does not disprove the Biblical text.

  How Long Were the Creative Days?

  What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. (Exodus 20:11) Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?

  No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” (Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.

  How long, then, were the creative days? The wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.
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  Seven Thousand Year Creative Day still being taught (as of 2005)

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a photo of a gilead instructor (br.

  liverance) teaching a class on chronology.. the photo appears in a blog entry dated 5-21-2005.. note the "6,000" and "1,000" periods in the timeline drawn on the whiteboard.. i thought the 7,000 year creative day was no longer taught, but apparently it still is at gilead, at least in the year 2005.. (picture cannot be embedded here for some reason, so here is the link to it).

  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ydnht0xya-4/sbukuolyzei/aaaaaaaaacs/t-rgxaammbg/s1600-h/chronology+%28br.+liverance%29.jpg.

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  This is the latest quote I can find from Was Life Created? (2010). Funnily enough I've only noticed reading this that they have decoupled the universe and earth coming into being from the creative days. I've always assumed the two were linked. You learn something new every day....

  *** lc pp. 24-26 Science and the Genesis Account ***

  When Was “the Beginning”?

  The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) A number of Bible scholars agree that this statement describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening words, the universe, including our planet, Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.

  Geologists estimate that the earth is 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science is not at odds with the Biblical text.

  How Long Were the Creative Days?

  What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. (Exodus 20:11) Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?

  No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” (Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.

  How long, then, were the creative days? The Bible does not say; however, the wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.
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  Were Neanderthals perfect ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wt maintains that perfection was lost when adam and eve sinned.

  neanderthals were a people of the same "kind" or species in the biblical sense, as is evident from our all carrying some neanderthal dna.. as the neanderthals came before adam and eve, they must have been perfect, and yet their remains show some horrendous signs of disease.. i wonder how the wt could possibly explain all this ?.

  and where does it leave their doctrines of sin and univesal sovreignty etc ?.

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  Bigger eyes = bad.

  Bigger frontal lobe = good.

  Neanderthal large eyes 'caused their demise'
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  March 2013 KM in our cong.....are BLUE

  by monkeyman in

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  download from this site is pink.

  is this a sneaky way to ferret out those who get theirs from this site?.

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  I don't think so as the KMs are downloaded from jw.org (AFAIK). The KM is only available to elders and MS who have the right login privilages.

  I am a MS and the elders flatly refused to sort a KM download login for me.
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  UN NGO relationship is paying off for our loving Governing Body!

  by suavojr in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/europe/turkey/respect-conscientious-objection/.

  un says turkey must respect conscience of its citizensplaymillions of christians conscientiously refuse to bear arms?and many nations honor that decision.

  the un human rights committee has ruled that turkish citizens deserve the same freedom.. .

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  Any way to merge threads?

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249089/1/WT-News-UN-tells-Turkey-it-much-respect-conscience-of-its-citizens
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  Could the JWs sway you back...?

  by new22day in

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  2. experiences

  op based on mr. freeze's topic - could attending the meetings/studying again sway any of you back to the org.

  hearing the propaganda over and over again is pretty powerful i'm sure.

  (i'm a non-jw, non-christian (no offense), stubborn as a bull and even i had moments of pause based on some of the doctrine (lasted 30 seconds) but i never had family/friends at stake or a background in this.

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  It could not sway me back from being mentally out but trying to wake my wife and fade is very wearing - much tougher being patient than I expected - and it's hard not to take the path of least resistance and just plod along for the ride to keep a quiet life...
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  WT News: UN tells Turkey it much respect conscience of it's citizens...

  by konceptual99 in

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  http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/europe/turkey/respect-conscientious-objection/.

  perhaps they should substitute turkey with "wts" and citizens with "followers".. .

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  konceptual99

  http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/europe/turkey/respect-conscientious-objection/

  Perhaps they should substitute Turkey with "WTS" and citizens with "followers".