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  I NEED ADVICE DESPERATELY!!!

  by concerned fiance in

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  here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.

  he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.

  for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.

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  Wow Peacepipe,

  PS: you may want to mention to him that it is a braver deed to sacrifice ones life for love because love may be the one and only real truth

  This jumped out at me as it is the conclusion that I've come to myself.

  Concerned, I can't really add to what's been said here, as most of the folks who've responded have given really good advice. It is very hard to understand the mental workings of a JW if you aren't one yourself and so I wish you the best but strongly lean towards not jumping into marriage with your guy until you've both been able to resolve some of these issues. Whichever way you go, I hope that things work out for the best for you.

  Dana

  "...I'd walk with my people if I could find them..."

  Third Eye Blind, Deep Inside of You
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  Bill Bowen on Radio September 30

  by Kent in

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  i got this message from jim moon:.

  talk show host meria heller (herself an ex-jw) has put out the following reminder of her upcoming radio program.

  you can tune in on the internet at http://www.meria.net/.

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  Hiyas Kent,

  Thanks for the info...I look forward to hearing this!!! I'm impressed and grateful for the work that you guys do.

  Dana

  "...I'd walk with my people if I could find them..."

  Third Eye Blind, Deep Inside of You
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  I NEED ADVICE DESPERATELY!!!

  by concerned fiance in

  1. jw
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  here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.

  he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.

  for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.

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  Six,

  It is not an easy thing to do, convincing a person their whole belief system is a myth no more real than Santa Clause.

  Santa isn't real???????!!!!!

  Dana

  "...I'd walk with my people if I could find them..."

  Third Eye Blind, Deep Inside of You
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  I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?

  by Englishman in

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  the uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.

  it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

  i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.

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  Seeker,

  Thanks for the explanation of your views. It helped me clarify what it was about all of this that bothered me. The fact is that you're right, ID cards wouldn't have any significant impact on stopping terrorist activities; it would be childishly simple to forge such cards. I think the main thing that bothers me about it all is that, once we have em, we ain't anever gonna get rid of em!! And while I agree that the worst case scenario most likely would never come to pass, it is still rather chilling to consider that this could be one step along that road. A step I am not willing to take. If I could see that such a route might be effective in halting such actions on the part of terrorists, I might be willing to forego a bit of my freedom, you know for the "greater good"...but what's the point? And I don't want to give up any more of my personal power than I absolutely have to.
  Eman, thanks for that example. There is already too much of my personal information and activities 'out there'; why would I want to increase that??! At this point in time, I see ID cards as a step backwards, not forwards, as regards freedom. Until I have hard evidence to the contrary, I will have to say 'thanks, but no thanks' to this issue.

  Trilobite,
  

  America was a democracy in the 50s, yes? Ask a black person living in the south what it was like.

  Amen! Freedom in our democracy has not always been distributed evenly, nor is it now. I fear that an ID card would be abused the same way. Perhaps not right at first, but eventually? Worrisome.

  Dana
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  ACK!! Son Wants to Rejoin the Army!!

  by Tina in

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  he just told me this today.

  he only received his separation papers a few weeks before the attack on the wtc!

  he says (due to his past training and rank) if they guarante him ranger,he will return!

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  Hey (((Andi))),

  You said:

  PS: Tina - if you ever need a daughter in your life, let me know!!!

  Tina, I want to be adopted too!!! If I fight Andi over this, will you put us both in time out? I really want someone to put me in time out!!! I would get to lie in my bed reading a good book instead of doing laundry, homework, refereeing children, cooking dinner...blah blah blah. C'mon Andi, put em up!

  In all seriousness, tho, I echo what Andi said in wishing more moms were like you
  Love yas,
  Dana
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  ACK!! Son Wants to Rejoin the Army!!

  by Tina in

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  he just told me this today.

  he only received his separation papers a few weeks before the attack on the wtc!

  he says (due to his past training and rank) if they guarante him ranger,he will return!

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  Hey ((((Tina)))),

  The day of the terrorist attacks, when I had my kids at home and we were talking about what had happened, my 10 year old son started out the door saying he was going to join the Air Force...and I was hit with such a feeling like OMG! One day, he may really do that in a situation like this! And, to be completely honest, I was relieved that he is only 10. I know this isn't really relevant to what you posted, but I guess I just wanted to connect with you as one mom to another. I don't think it matters how grown up they become, they will still ALWAYS be our babies. At the same time, I know you must be extremely proud of him for the choices that he is making. So many people pay lip service to ideals; how many are willing to actually do something? You and your son are sterling examples of putting your money where your mouth is, Tina, and I am proud to call you friend. Please add my thanks and hugs for your son to the ones already given here.

  Love ya,
  Dana
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  I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?

  by Englishman in

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  the uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.

  it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

  i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.

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  Hey Seeker and Eman ,

  This is intriguing to me and I'm curious about your views on the subject. I heard about the possibility of a national ID card in the US this morning on my way to school. The interesting thing to me is that my first thought was how this is another slice of our freedom being taken away!! Seeker, that thought was a direct result of posts you've made discussing the subtle curtailing of our civil liberties, so apparently, my brain is beginning to wake up. What I would really appreciate would be a little more detail from you two as to exactly how you see this affecting our personal freedoms as opposed to the benefits we might reap, i.e. tighter security, etc. I can make some of the leap myself but I really would be interested in reading both of your views on it, if you have the time.

  Thanks,
  Dana
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  Sunday Meeting 9/23/01

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  sorry all, this is quite long.....and of course, nothing new.

  but i found it interesting...i've been out 9 years and this all sounds eerily similar, like i'd heard this bs all before...... ------------------.

  opening song #91, being taught by jehovah.

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  (((((((Harmony))))))

  My hat is off to ya girl for making it through all of that! Hey, I only had to hurl once while reading it!

  One thing that stood out to me:
  

  Must realize that joy is not external. The world has not figured this out.

  
  LMAO!!!! The WORLD hasn't figured this out????!!! I love it! They shamelessly rely on what 'worldly' psychologists and other mental health professionals have discovered about emotional and mental health and then turn around and steal it for their own uses! Makes me want to barf...the WTS does their darndest to keep the R&F as repressed and controlled as possible and then has the audacity to say things like the above. I also noticed that the CO didn't offer any real practical advice or explanation about how joy is an inside job. It all has to do with freedom of self; freedom to feel what we feel, to express ourselves, and to make personal choices in our lives without big brother looking over our shoulder and telling us that everything we're thinking, feeling etc. is wrong. "Joy of Jehovah" my a**!

  Ahhhh...thanks girl for your sacrifice. I don't think I'd be able to sit through what you did.
  Love ya harmony!

  Dana
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  Feeling Patriotic for the 1st time

  by lisaBObeesa in

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  all of the sudden, i feel patriotic.

  for the first time in my life.. and it isnt fake patriotisim, like some people have said.

  i just didnt feel it on sept 10.. i feel very american all of the sudden.

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  ((((seeker)))),

  I agree in large part to what you posted...I like to think of myself as a citizen of the world and all humans as my fellow citizens. One area tho that I can relate to in what Lisa said is that since Sept 11, I have felt a love for my country that I don't recall being aware of before. It isn't that I think Americans are somehow better than others or that I am blind to the wrongs we have committed...it's more a sense of community that I didn't feel before. Does that make me patriotic? Well, I will confess to learning the words to the Star Spangled banner in the last week!

  As far as knocking you for your expressions seeker...I often gain perspective from your posts, especially when you take a differing view than most. Thanks dude...and I hope that all is going well with you.

  Dana
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  Afghan Women under Taliban

  by Tina in

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  for those who might be interested in the plight, public murder,bride-price, of women who live under talibans terroriistic fundamentalism........ warning!

  graphic photos.. http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/women.html.

  carl sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones.

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  OMG Tina!!

  I guess I've been living under a rock or something for the past few years...I had no idea things were this bad for women in Afghanistan. Thanks for the link, I've bookmarked it, altho I have to admit I'm now a bit sick to my stomach.

  This site may be interesting to use in my Issues of Feminism class; a modern day, horrific example of the oppression of women.

  (((((Tina))))) love ya much!
  Dana