The last time I gave, I actually prayed for forgiveness. I realized that I was enabling the shielding of molesters. I never gave again. Those who give to WTC do not understand where the money is going since there is no accountability and no transparency. They would be very frustrated to see how much is spent on CSA settlements, non-JW attorneys, fines and other line items not related to the preaching.
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Pioneer couple sense of entitlement
by nowwhat? inso there's this middle age pioneer couple.
he works part time and the wife doesn't work at all.
their daughter is getting married and even though it is known they go on multiple vacations a year, they expect the grooms parents to pay for 100% of the wedding!
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Similarities Between JW's & Mormons
by Sea Breeze inover the years, i have found it helpful to see the similarites between jw's and mormons to help me understand what happened to me and my family as jw's.
robert bryan discusses this in one of the best presentations i have heard on the topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wok7e3utzy8&ab_channel=bibleready .
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ThomasMore
More similarities than most JWs will admit. WTC needs to get into the inner garment business - that's where there is some money still to be made for their 4.5 million members.
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Any news on Blood?
by Fisherman ini haven’t seen anything in the news lately and wt position remains the same, so no change.
except, that when there is massive blood loss, my family mds have told me that without a bt there is practically zero chance of pulling through—short of an act of god.
jw know this and have decided beforehand.
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JWs talk less and less about blood as their case is impossibly convoluted:
1. All plasma fractions are a conscience matter but plasma as a major component is not
2. Many pharmaceutical companies add horseshoe crab blood to their drugs as an indicator for bacterial contamination - WTC silent on the matter
3.Some HLC can explain WTC positions but most can only follow what they are told
4. White blood cells from mom are found in abundance in mother's milk
I could go on but I will not - my stomach begins to turn...
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Who raised Jesus from the dead?
by Blotty ini have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
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I cannot be that cynical Jeffro. I think people tell accounts of what they experienced. For me to say so many are mistaken seems wrong. Whatever the case, I personally feel that my body is part of my existence but not all. What is it that really makes me me? I think it is a stream of consciousness that I cannot explain without resorting to the belief in my life force. If I am correct, then losing this physical body for another is not. But, I could be wrong…
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Who raised Jesus from the dead?
by Blotty ini have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
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ThomasMore
This is the calibre of discussion that I expect on this forum. Many of the reasonings are excellent for consideration and I appreciate the spirited, yet civil way that they are presented.
May I add that I do believe in the resurrection, however, I think that WTC missed something critical in their reasoniing about the soul. I believe that their position on an immortal soul is Bible-based, yet they speak very little about the life force that animates the body.
If a person dies and everything deteriorates so that there is no connection to his previous existence, then resurrection can only be duplication. I do not believe that duplication is what any of us would hope for. Imagine that you are presented with a perfect duplicate of yourself and this person has all the same memories and the same biological characteristics. Would you be satisfied to die and let that duplicate version of you continue? Somehow I doubt that you would. There is no connection between you and that person.
The Bible says that the life force came from God and goes back to God. Perhaps this is the connection. It is not an immortal soul in the sense of what many Christians believe, but it is what makes you who you are. I have no inside information as to how this works, but if I am on the right track, the life force could reanimate a duplicate body (spirit or biological) and the connection is established - the person lives again.
If I am wrong, so be it. I am not dogmatic about any particular position. I am only positive that there is a distict difference between resurrection and clever duplication. If offered the latter, I would rather remain in a non-existent state.
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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inmark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.
the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.
the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).
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Vanderhoven, I think you pretty much nailed it. It took me decades to see them for what they are. Thanks!
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Call The Police and Press Charges.
by Lost in the fog init strikes me as a double standard - if someone in the congregation is known by the elders to be a child abuser they wouldn't call the police and "bring reproach on jehovah" as numerous reports have shown.. however, if someone disturbs a congregation meeting the elders are instructed by the org to call the police and tell the police that they want to press charges against the individual.. you couldn't make this stuff up!.
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WTC also directs the BOE to call the police to report vandalism of a KH. I know this to be true as 2 KHs I attended were vandalized. The Branch instructed us to call the police immediately. Too bad they couldn't feel the same sense of urgency when they learned that a child in their midst was molested. Children are apparently worth less in the eyes of WTC than their quickbuild KHs are. It's hard to draw any other conclusion.
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The real story on why The Watchtower society lost a Kingdom hall in Bonham ,Texas.!
by koolaid-man inwhat happened in bonham, texas?
: the body of elders and the majority of the congregation decided to leave the watch tower organization.
and with that, they took the kingdom hall.
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Truthsetonefree - also heard of that one. It is outrageous dishonesty that WTC still claims over 8.5 million publishers when everyone sees the same shrinking going on. JWs don't want to admit that the religion peaked in the late 90's.
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Looking for a CSA Video
by Vanderhoven7 inthis will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.
anyone have the video regarding that case?.
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ThomasMore
The Briggs case is settled now with an undisclosed out of court settlement. The accuser was awarded cash and her father admitted (as part of the settlement) to sexually abusing her. Her mother admitted that it was going on at Bethel but she did nothing.
The father still lives in Ecuador, WTC still shields pedophiles, and victims are still silenced. The speed that WTC dispatched this case is remarkable. It indicates the degree of exposure they felt given the gravity and notoriety of the father and other B'Lites who knew what was going on. I am not bound by a non-disclosure so calling people out personally is a real possibility.
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Jehovah's Witnesses discontinue online Bible Study program today 12/12/2022
by Balaamsass2 inwell, that went by the wayside quickly.
another flip-flop by the indiscrete slave?.
december 12, 2022what’s new.
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Online study leads sincere ones AWAY from WTC. They fear that - so it had to go.