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  Anionted mom says Jehovah may ask her to kill all her family!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yes my holy anionted mom who has cancer is concerned that the loving god jehovah may ask her in heaven to destroy here non believer family including her 5 year old grandchild during armagedon....how messed up are these crazy people!!?

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  Scully

  I have been concerned about JWs starting to think like this for a very long time.

  The GB has been priming the JWs with messages that Loyalty™ to the Organization™/Jehovah™ (in other words, doing whatever the GB says and following written instructions in the Publications™) is more important than any relationship. They've published statements to the effect that "even if what we tell you to do goes against your values, you should do it anyway." Ignore all your ethical boundaries. Do things that make normal people shake their heads and wonder "WTF is wrong with you?"

  They have already convinced the vast majority of JWs to cut all ties with Disfellowshipped™, Disassociated™, and more recently Inactive™ people, including their own children, including children who were never Baptized™ as JWs. It's emotional and psychological torture, fully endorsed by Watchtower. They have said, in the past, that only the laws of the land prevent them from endorsing a Theocratic™ solution that would have been utilized in Bible Times - when "cutting off" someone (including your unruly child) meant taking them to the public square and stoning them to death. They have not retracted this statement but maybe the "new light" has somewhat modified their position on it - maybe it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for someone to take the Loyalty™ statement to the very extreme.

  *** Nov 15, 1952 Watchtower ***

  We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, AS.

  Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.
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  Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.

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  Well, he does have a niche market. Not too many other people with his background and credentials, and his dedication to educating people to become more aware of cult recruitment techniques, and how to manage interactions with cult members in order to break the cult influence they're under.

  He has made numerous TV appearances - most of which you can probably find on YouTube for free - and his website offers free information. If you can't afford his books, you can borrow them from the library, or go to a bookstore like Barnes & Noble and park yourself on a comfy chair and read a chapter or two at a time.

  Due to his expertise and public persona, yeah, he can charge what he charges. He's basically a celebrity and you wouldn't expect to Skype with [insert famous person's name] for $100 an hour, so why should he be any different? His time is valuable, his expertise is valuable, and he shouldn't have to give it away for peanuts.
  
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  According to one JW there can only be 1 of 3 reasons why you left.

  by Bonsai in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i asked an old jw friend of mine why so many baptized individuals leave the jw religion.

  "did it ever occur to you, old friend, that maybe they know something that you don't know and have valid reasons for leaving?

  ", i asked.. his response set me back for an answer.

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  Scully

  I had plenty of opportunities to be Stumbled™, but time and again I sucked it up and gave people the benefit of the doubt, even when they didn't deserve it.

  The pivotal moment for me was reading through the Insight and Aid books description of Lying.

  While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is obligated to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.

  It made me realize that as long as someone was deemed to not be entitled to honesty, lying by omission was perfectly acceptable in WT land. And then it occurred to me, What if the Society itself believes that its followers are not entitled to honesty? The more flip-flops I uncovered, the more re-imagining of doctrine that took place, and yes, even outright in-your-face lies that I heard from Elders™ and rank-and-file JWs, the more offensive the Organization™ as a whole became to me. They expected honesty of me, they expected me to teach my children to be honest, they had a Public Talk Outline™ entitled Conduct Yourselves Honestly In All Things, and yet they viewed me and every other JW as not being "entitled to" honesty from them - I lost all respect for the Organization™ at that point. That was the last straw for Mr. Scully too.

  I get the concept of confidentiality - certain things are none of other peoples' business, like your finances, confidential interactions between clients and lawyers or patients and medical care professionals. However, the very nature of Elders'™ inquiries in a Judicial™ setting required an accused person to set aside that boundary, being intimidated into answering very intrusive personal questions about sexual activity, for example, questions that can only be described as providing lecherous titillation to three men who may as well be reading or watching porn for all the Spiritual Guidance™ they provide in so doing.
  
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  E-Harmony Dilemma

  by Iamallcool in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  well, i messaged someone on e-harmony and she messaged me back.

  i did like her at first and she likes me too.

  we exchanged more than 10 messages till i find out yesterday that her best friend is a tarot card reader.

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  iamallcool

  Maybe you could tell her that you don't put a lot of stock in Tarot card reading, and see how she responds.

  I predict she'll become defensive of her friend and stop communicating with you.

  BTW, I thought e-harmony was supposed to match you with people who have similar interests as you?? How could they have gotten it so wrong??? Ask for your money back.
  
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  Why Marrying An Outsider Is NOT A Disfellowshipping "Offense"

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so yeah, i was thinking about this.

  marrying an unbeliever is considered to be wrong, but at the same time, it is not a disfellowshipping "offense".

  well, the reason is simple: there is more to gain than to lose by not disfellowshipping.

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  Want to date a non-JW? Keep everything on the down-low, not a word to your JW family or friends, and keep the romance clandestine. Take a trip, meet your lover there, elope. Come back with a spouse. There's nothing the Elders™ can do about it.
  
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  "Basics of Blood Management" by Dr. Petra Seeber and Dr. Aryeh Shander - Inaccuracies and Myth

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  patient blood management arose out of bloodless medicine and alternatives to blood transfusions.

  pbm has been accepted as the standard of care in australia and has been implemented into the health care systems of other countries such as canada.

  a prominent promoter of pbm has been aryeh shander from englewood hospital in new jersey.

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  If this is coming out of the US, the phrase "Separation of Church and State" comes to mind.
  
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  The most sick statement put in JW print

  by Chook in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt 1973 p568.

  "did you know, for example, that mothers and fathers that stroke the genitals of their fretful babies to keep them quiet are unwittingly encouraging them to become maturbators later on?".

  what sick fu... writing this article thought the the average person did this to keep kids quiet..

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  Scully

  Sounds like something straight out of the sexually repressive fantasies of Fred Franz.
  
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  Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.

  the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.

  so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.

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  David Gnam who represents the congregation

  The spawn of Satan himself. ::: shudders :::
  
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  Mouthy has Passed Away

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.

  i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.

  - may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.

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  Scully

  Oh no. I'd been trying to track her down the last week or so, wanted to talk to her on the phone, but couldn't find her number. It makes me sad that I missed this last opportunity.

  Where ever you are, Grace, I know you were waiting for this and on some level, looking forward to what you believed was beyond this mortal sphere. Know that you are loved, and will be missed.

  
  
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  CLAM Video: Aug 8-14 2016 – “Older Ones - You Have an Important Role”

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this video portrayed an elderly widowed sister who was a former pioneer and now reduced to submitting field service reports of 15 minute increments.

  she was also portrayed as quite frail in that she ambulates with the use of a quad rollator frame.

  she was very neatly attired and groomed and what the video showed of her apartment conveyed everything perfectly tidy to a level which would have relaxed an ocd sufferer.

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  Scully

  in this modern age needs to either find a career to support herself OR she needs to get married and have a man support her.

  It's not quite so black and white in this modern age. Women can acquire an education, make a career for themselves, get married (or not), have a family and have the expectation that her partner will match her effort in providing for their needs.