She died only 2 days ago. Her obituary may not have been published in the newspaper yet. Give it a day or two. Her family must be in shock.
Posts by Scully
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46FYI, Eloise Dupuis, 27, a JW, died last Wednesday in a Quebec hospital because she refused a blood transfusion
by AndersonsInfo ini just received the following message from a friend this morning.. barbara.
eloise dupuis, 27 years old, died at the hotel dieu hospital in lévis, quebec, canada, wednesday, october 12th.
she died because of her religious principles.
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We are imperfect
by HereIgo ini can't tell you how many times i have heard this while growing up as a witness.
every time i questioned hypocrisy in the org i was told " well we are imperfect" and its was beyond annoying.
at what point does "imperfect" turn into just not christian?
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Scully
Try saying that when you get Invited™ to a Judicial Committee™. They'll DF you in a heart beat.
So the GB is "made up of imperfect men" when they print what turns out to be erroneous material in publications that impact the lives of JWs everywhere. When they lie to their followers, in other words. Where is the Judicial Committee™ holding them to account?
If they can't get their $h!t together and be truthful with JWs, why on earth do they deserve to be obeyed? What did god do when the Israelites started offering their sons and daughters to false gods, at the direction of the priests supposedly appointed by god? Didn't he abandon them? Didn't he tell honest-hearted people to stop listening to these false leaders?
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Elder asking for help
by untruth inthis is my first time posting on here so i’m not sure where to start.
i’m trying to keep it as short as possible since i could expand much more.
i’ve been in the process of waking up in the last year and a half.
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Scully
At the beginning of 1993, leaving the JWs was the furthest thing from my mind. I was the stereotypical True Believer™. Mr Scully and I hosted a Congregation Book Study™ and Field Service Meeting™ in our home; we never missed a Meeting™ or Service™. We had 2 young children and another on the way. Within the year, all of that came crashing down around us. By the end of 1994, we had decided that as of January 1, 1995 we would never set foot in that Kingdom Hall™ again. It's a long story, and I've dispersed bits and pieces here and there on JWD over the past 15 years that I've been a member here.
What I will tell you is this: with a True Believer™ you must SLOW DOWN. It's only natural to want to share everything you find, all at once in a massive memory dump, thinking that you know your spouse and that she would never betray you or your doubts. But that is exactly what will happen if she feels overwhelmed with information. She will literally freak out, if not overtly, she will keep it to herself and feel like the life she knows has ended.
The key to a successful fade, with your relationship intact, is to slow things down.
The final straw for Mr Scully and me (as I mentioned recently on another thread) was to read the discussion in the Insight and Aid books on the topic of lying.
Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth and doing so with the intent to deceive or to injure him or another person.
and then further on:
While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.
It really started to bother me that Theocratic Warfare™ - the manipulation of information intended to deceive someone who is not entitled to truthful information - might be directed at JWs by the GB. With this being part of the foundation of its teachings, how exactly could I be sure that I wasn't being lied to by the Organization™? What if that was its entire modus operandi? I remembered the hype around 1975, and it was bugging the living $h!t out of me to see how the history had been rewritten, blaming "overzealous" individuals for raising our hopes. Well, who was responsible for publishing those Watchtower and Awake articles telling people that Armageddon™ was no more than "mere months" away? Or that this was the time to sell your homes and Move to Where the Need Is Great™? And then there was the gradual shifting of The Generation™ from being those who saw the events of 1914 and would have been able to discern their meaning, to those who were merely alive in 1914... what was the purpose of those subtle changes if not to keep JWs (and their donations) from jumping ship? And now this whole new teaching around overlapping generations?? I was actually cynical enough to say to Mr Scully toward the end of '94 that The Society™ would have to come up with something in the near future because we had just crossed the 80-year mark since 1914, and sure enough, a year later, this overlapping generation nonsense came out.
Anyway, what I did with those little blurbs in the Insight book, was to ask my True Believer™ former Catholic-JW-convert husband to help me understand who had the authority to decide who was "entitled" to truthful information, and who was not. What would be a proper motive for withholding truthful information? Moreover, did I have the right to withhold truthful information from someone I felt was not entitled to it, or was that privilege just reserved for the GB in Brooklyn? What if the GB decided that JWs weren't entitled to honesty? How would we know if or when they were lying to us by withholding information, when everything they tell us is called The Truth™? How could we, in good conscience, go Door-to-Door™ while wondering if the message we were trying to spread was untrue on any level?
He couldn't answer me. The more he thought about it, the more disturbed he got. We started skipping Meetings™ in favour of doing fun stuff with our kids. I would spend the Book Study™ upstairs in my room with the new baby, listening in via baby monitor (or not). In short order, the group was moved elsewhere, and we never bothered going after the first Meeting™ at the new place.
We've been *done* with the JWs for almost 22 years, and above all the other scandals and such that you'll come to learn about if you spend any amount of time here, it was the thought that the Organization™ regards its membership as not deserving of truth that decimated my desire to have any further part of it.
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Anionted mom says Jehovah may ask her to kill all her family!!
by Witness 007 inyes my holy anionted mom who has cancer is concerned that the loving god jehovah may ask her in heaven to destroy here non believer family including her 5 year old grandchild during armagedon....how messed up are these crazy people!!?
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Scully
I have been concerned about JWs starting to think like this for a very long time.
The GB has been priming the JWs with messages that Loyalty™ to the Organization™/Jehovah™ (in other words, doing whatever the GB says and following written instructions in the Publications™) is more important than any relationship. They've published statements to the effect that "even if what we tell you to do goes against your values, you should do it anyway." Ignore all your ethical boundaries. Do things that make normal people shake their heads and wonder "WTF is wrong with you?"
They have already convinced the vast majority of JWs to cut all ties with Disfellowshipped™, Disassociated™, and more recently Inactive™ people, including their own children, including children who were never Baptized™ as JWs. It's emotional and psychological torture, fully endorsed by Watchtower. They have said, in the past, that only the laws of the land prevent them from endorsing a Theocratic™ solution that would have been utilized in Bible Times - when "cutting off" someone (including your unruly child) meant taking them to the public square and stoning them to death. They have not retracted this statement but maybe the "new light" has somewhat modified their position on it - maybe it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for someone to take the Loyalty™ statement to the very extreme.
*** Nov 15, 1952 Watchtower ***
We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, AS.
Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.
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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.
by joe134cd inhttps://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
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Scully
Well, he does have a niche market. Not too many other people with his background and credentials, and his dedication to educating people to become more aware of cult recruitment techniques, and how to manage interactions with cult members in order to break the cult influence they're under.
He has made numerous TV appearances - most of which you can probably find on YouTube for free - and his website offers free information. If you can't afford his books, you can borrow them from the library, or go to a bookstore like Barnes & Noble and park yourself on a comfy chair and read a chapter or two at a time.
Due to his expertise and public persona, yeah, he can charge what he charges. He's basically a celebrity and you wouldn't expect to Skype with [insert famous person's name] for $100 an hour, so why should he be any different? His time is valuable, his expertise is valuable, and he shouldn't have to give it away for peanuts.
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According to one JW there can only be 1 of 3 reasons why you left.
by Bonsai ini asked an old jw friend of mine why so many baptized individuals leave the jw religion.
"did it ever occur to you, old friend, that maybe they know something that you don't know and have valid reasons for leaving?
", i asked.. his response set me back for an answer.
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Scully
I had plenty of opportunities to be Stumbled™, but time and again I sucked it up and gave people the benefit of the doubt, even when they didn't deserve it.
The pivotal moment for me was reading through the Insight and Aid books description of Lying.
While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is obligated to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.
It made me realize that as long as someone was deemed to not be entitled to honesty, lying by omission was perfectly acceptable in WT land. And then it occurred to me, What if the Society itself believes that its followers are not entitled to honesty? The more flip-flops I uncovered, the more re-imagining of doctrine that took place, and yes, even outright in-your-face lies that I heard from Elders™ and rank-and-file JWs, the more offensive the Organization™ as a whole became to me. They expected honesty of me, they expected me to teach my children to be honest, they had a Public Talk Outline™ entitled Conduct Yourselves Honestly In All Things, and yet they viewed me and every other JW as not being "entitled to" honesty from them - I lost all respect for the Organization™ at that point. That was the last straw for Mr. Scully too.
I get the concept of confidentiality - certain things are none of other peoples' business, like your finances, confidential interactions between clients and lawyers or patients and medical care professionals. However, the very nature of Elders'™ inquiries in a Judicial™ setting required an accused person to set aside that boundary, being intimidated into answering very intrusive personal questions about sexual activity, for example, questions that can only be described as providing lecherous titillation to three men who may as well be reading or watching porn for all the Spiritual Guidance™ they provide in so doing.
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E-Harmony Dilemma
by Iamallcool inwell, i messaged someone on e-harmony and she messaged me back.
i did like her at first and she likes me too.
we exchanged more than 10 messages till i find out yesterday that her best friend is a tarot card reader.
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iamallcool
Maybe you could tell her that you don't put a lot of stock in Tarot card reading, and see how she responds.
I predict she'll become defensive of her friend and stop communicating with you.
BTW, I thought e-harmony was supposed to match you with people who have similar interests as you?? How could they have gotten it so wrong??? Ask for your money back.
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Why Marrying An Outsider Is NOT A Disfellowshipping "Offense"
by Divergent inso yeah, i was thinking about this.
marrying an unbeliever is considered to be wrong, but at the same time, it is not a disfellowshipping "offense".
well, the reason is simple: there is more to gain than to lose by not disfellowshipping.
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"Basics of Blood Management" by Dr. Petra Seeber and Dr. Aryeh Shander - Inaccuracies and Myth
by OrphanCrow inpatient blood management arose out of bloodless medicine and alternatives to blood transfusions.
pbm has been accepted as the standard of care in australia and has been implemented into the health care systems of other countries such as canada.
a prominent promoter of pbm has been aryeh shander from englewood hospital in new jersey.
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The most sick statement put in JW print
by Chook inwt 1973 p568.
"did you know, for example, that mothers and fathers that stroke the genitals of their fretful babies to keep them quiet are unwittingly encouraging them to become maturbators later on?".
what sick fu... writing this article thought the the average person did this to keep kids quiet..
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