Posts by Scully
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46Faders shunned now?
by Sammy Jenkis inhi all so my family had their c.a.
last weekend and my mother dropped this one on me, she'll now be treating me as a df'd person per info she received from a talk at the assembly.
apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.. .
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Faders shunned now?
by Sammy Jenkis inhi all so my family had their c.a.
last weekend and my mother dropped this one on me, she'll now be treating me as a df'd person per info she received from a talk at the assembly.
apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.. .
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Scully
With the exception of family members, I'd be perfectly fine with JWs shunning me - except I prefer preventative shunning. It's a kind of do-unto-others-before-they-do-unto-you kind of thing.
What usually ticks them off more than anything is when you smack them with the reality of how "loving" shunning really is.
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How Do I Explain To My TalkTherapist That JW's Believe They Will Never Die?
by LoisLane looking for Superman ini know for us exjw's that have awakened from this religion, it seems incredulous that we ever.
could have believed we were going to live forever and never die.. not just never die, but never die, like i was raised to believe with.
the millions now living will never die, garbage.. i said that to my highly educated professional therapist last week.. her eyes got big, and she said gently as to a child, "loislane, we are all going to die".. yes, i know that now, but that is not what my religion taught and i believed, for 60 years.. any thoughts on how i explain this lunacy to her?.
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Scully
I think the Armageddon is Coming, Any Day Now, Really Really Soon message got hammered into our thoughts with such urgency, such tenacity, that we were probably powerless to stop it from taking hold. Then there were the ominous warnings of The Composite Sign in Matthew 24 - wars, famines, etc. that everything seemed to fit together. It was as if we'd been "privileged" to understand what others couldn't - that was all part of the scam. All we had to do was put our lives on hold, preach Door-to-Door, go to Meetings and Assemblies and Conventions where all of these thoughts are reinforced, avoid getting too close to outsiders and dissenters (who might undo the brainwashing) and give our money to the WTS. That seems like a small price to pay for such a huge payoff!!
I think the most difficult thing we have to do as we exit the cult is admit to ourselves that we bought into the lie, hook, line and sinker. It can mess with your head that we were so gullible, so DUMB, for so many years. How could I be so *stupid*???? We weren't stupid. We were vulnerable, for whatever reason, and JWs prey on that vulnerability. The WTS are predators. Remember how we were taught to seek out potential Bible Studies: someone who is new to the neighborhood, maybe newly married, newly divorced or separated, or maybe a new baby, or have children who have left home. They are looking for people who may be temporarily emotionally off-balance, in a state of transition, which makes them vulnerable to being ensnared.
Nobody wakes up one day and decides to join a cult. The cult *recruits* you. They have targeted you and played to your vulnerabilities - that's how they've been trained. Vulerable people, including children raised in that environment, have no training or experience in counter-intelligence to effectively do battle with cult mind control tactics. How do you suppose that educated people, doctors, lawyers, engineers, physicists, etc. end up being advertising material in the Awake! magazine??
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How Do I Explain To My TalkTherapist That JW's Believe They Will Never Die?
by LoisLane looking for Superman ini know for us exjw's that have awakened from this religion, it seems incredulous that we ever.
could have believed we were going to live forever and never die.. not just never die, but never die, like i was raised to believe with.
the millions now living will never die, garbage.. i said that to my highly educated professional therapist last week.. her eyes got big, and she said gently as to a child, "loislane, we are all going to die".. yes, i know that now, but that is not what my religion taught and i believed, for 60 years.. any thoughts on how i explain this lunacy to her?.
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Scully
Rev. I don't remember the chapter and verse. The one that says death will be no more neither mourning nor outcry nor pain; the former things have passed away.
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How Do I Explain To My TalkTherapist That JW's Believe They Will Never Die?
by LoisLane looking for Superman ini know for us exjw's that have awakened from this religion, it seems incredulous that we ever.
could have believed we were going to live forever and never die.. not just never die, but never die, like i was raised to believe with.
the millions now living will never die, garbage.. i said that to my highly educated professional therapist last week.. her eyes got big, and she said gently as to a child, "loislane, we are all going to die".. yes, i know that now, but that is not what my religion taught and i believed, for 60 years.. any thoughts on how i explain this lunacy to her?.
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Scully
Well, it *is* what we were taught. And not believing that wasn't an option. If we disbelieved, it was a 'lack of faith' - or worse: apostacy.
I used to compare the awakening to the reality of the JW world view as false as similar to the way a child comes to the realization that Santa Claus isn't real. In fact I listened to a podcast about secular parenting recently that made a similar comparison, only went a little further in saying that the way a child comes to realize that Santa isn't real is actually a kind of trial run for believers in god who come to a similar conclusion later in life.
The Thinking Atheist Podcast: Secular Parenting with Dale McGowan
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Discussion w/ Wife: I Welcome Your Suggestions
by breakfast of champions inso these last few wts have definitely eroded my wife's faith in the org.
she is definitely seeing the bs, and i even overheard her talking openly about it to a family member.
good for her!.
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Scully
Ask her whether she thinks JWs' preaching efforts would be more fruitful if they stole a page from other religions' playbooks, such as:
- building hospitals
- providing shelters and clothing for homeless people, battered women and abused children
- having food banks for the financially impoverished
If she thinks those things are helpful, ask her why the WTS doesn't do any of those things?
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How do I get them to stop houding me?
by lostinthought ini stopped attending all meetings this summer.
i prefer not to be dfed or to da myself.
i just want to be inactive.
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Scully
Change your phone number.
Move.
Filter their email to your junk mail folder.
Show up to a Meeting™, but without having showered or combing your hair for a couple of days, wearing some ugly, ill-fitting clothing from the second hand store. Have a wide eyed stare, drool a little, and twitch occasionally. Take a small Tupperware container of water and make sure the seat is wet when you leave half way through the Public Talk™.
That should fix it.
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JW's planning for retirement
by FirstLastName ini had an interesting discussion with a jw family member recently and he brought up his plans for retirement.
according to his age bracket, this will not be for another 20 years or so.
he plans to buy land, build a house, move the parents nearby.
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Scully
From the age of 6, I kept hearing how Armageddon™ was Coming Soon™. In the interim, I was manipulated into giving up a post secondary education. When I turned 30, it started to sink in how I would be financially screwed if I didn't have a career and all of a sudden I had to support my family. I went back to school, amidst protests from JWs who kept telling me how Armageddon™ was Right Around The Corner™.
It dawned on me that while the WTS was telling people to put off important things like planning for retirement, getting an education, and becoming financially secure, they were hounding JWs for cash, making investments, building new headquarters, and buying, improving and selling property for a very healthy profit. It occurred to me that these were a bunch of cynical b@st@rds who didn't even believe their own rhetoric. They just wanted a gullible audience to put them on a pedestal, put their own lives on hold, maintain a level of ignorance and suspension of disbelief, and fork over their hard earned money, while they lapped it all up and lived high on the hog with funds that were meant for the purpose of Bible education, but were diverted to tax sheltered holdings instead.
In the almost 2 decades since I quit the JWs, I've done a lot of catching up intellectually and financially. There's no going back. I'm watching elderly JWs having to continue working until the age of 80 because they have no retirement savings. I know some who have had to move in to the homes of their children - who incidentally got an education, and started saving for the future after watching the financial trainwreck of their parents' lives.
If any group of JWs have a case to launch a class action or mass action lawsuit against the WTS for its fraudulent rhetoric, it's the ones who forsook taking care of their own retirement. But then again, can you really sue someone else for your own stupidity?
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Discussion w/ Wife: I Welcome Your Suggestions
by breakfast of champions inso these last few wts have definitely eroded my wife's faith in the org.
she is definitely seeing the bs, and i even overheard her talking openly about it to a family member.
good for her!.
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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses actually go out in the Door-to-Door Ministry™?
Would they do this if they were not directed to do so by the Watchtower Society? or would they come to the conclusion to do so from reading the Bible independently?
Basically, the only reason JWs participate in the Preaching Work™ is because they are mandated to do so by the Watchtower Society, and they are ostracised if they fail to participate in the Preaching Work™. That is a form of coercion, and in such case, it isn't really something one does of their own volition, from their own understanding of the scriptures. It's something they are told to do, or else.
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Conversation I had with Elder, "It's Ok To Lie If they don't deserve the truth!" Who created this dogma?
by AuntConnie inwhat is the origin of "theocratic warfare" and jehovah's witnesses being able to freely life if they feel it's for the "greater good" of the watchtower?
i asked the elder if jesus christ ever lied, he said "yes, jesus refused to answer questions from people!
" can you show me where this is in the bible?
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Scully
Wasn't there a heavenly pow-wow, where Jehovah wanted to thwart some evil bastard and one angel volunteered to serve as a "deceptive spirit" within the prophets, to mislead the army?
It was Ahab. 1 Kings 22:20-23
20 And Jehovah proceeded to say, ‘Who will fool A´hab, that he may go up and fall at Ra´moth-gil´e·ad?’ And this one began to say something like this, while that one was saying something like that. 21 Finally a spirit came out and stood before Jehovah and said, ‘I myself shall fool him.’ At that Jehovah said to him, ‘By what means?’ 22 To this he said, ‘I shall go forth, and I shall certainly become a deceptive spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ So he said, ‘You will fool him, and, what is more, you will come off the winner. Go out and do that way.’ 23 And now here Jehovah has put a deceptive spirit into the mouth of all these prophets of yours; but Jehovah himself has spoken calamity concerning you.”