Posts by jwundubbed

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Have you ever thought what the primary teaching of Jehovah’s Witnesses is?

by Half banana in

it is not “preach the good news” nor is it “believe in jesus and get saved” neither is it “believe in the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses and get saved” although in practice they do teach this.

no, everything they claim depends on a belief in another doctrine which logic decrees cannot be found in the bible.

the leadership of jehovah’s witnesses put absolute faith in a protestant doctrine which is given a latin name, sola scriptura, meaning “by scripture alone”.. good evidence of the governing body believing in the primacy of this doctrine was when being questioned by the australian royal commission, they resorted to the ‘authority’ of scripture to defend their stance on having “two witnesses” when they are investigating child abuse cases.throughout the hearing they paraded their naive trust in the bible as the highest possible authority proudly ignoring the fact that most people regard it as having been superseded by modern scientific evaluations of what is true.. .

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It's conform and obey.

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Toasted daughter: Why Jephthah almost certainly sacrificed his daughter to a complicit Jehovah

by Diogenesister in

jehovah's witnesses insist that jephthah did not sacrifice his daughter to jehovah.

this is important to them because, rarther than jephthah just being a random bad person, jehovah was very much in on the deal.

after all, he made the promise to jehovah that he would "offer up as a burnt offering" on his return the first thing to come out of his house if jehovah would give the ammonites into his hands in battle, and since they were this makes jehovah complicit.. the isrealites had been getting a good thrashing of late, and the gilead elders (oh boy) had come out to ask jephthah, the rejected son of a prostitute (wouldn't you know it) and renown soldier, if he would lead the isrealites into battle for them.. this is when jephthah makes the deal with jehobo, and it all centres on the word for "burnt offering", which is given as "olah".

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My congregation had a recital and a group of teenagers acted out the Jeptha's daughter story. My sister and about 6 other girls danced to that story! We were horrified when we realized (only a few years ago) what they had been dancing about.

And what strikes me now is that the two instances where sons were asked to be sacrificed, they were saved! But the daughter that has to be sacrificed... doesn't get saved and is in fact sacrificed! Gross!

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What Makes Someone Become a JW?

by minimus in

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my excuse is that i was born in the religion.

but if someone wasn’t, why would they become one?.

jwundubbed

I don't understand it myself because I was born in as well. I asked my dad why he joined. My mom joined because she is an evil wackadoo and it suits her perfectly.

My dad is an intellectual type and a scientist, so I was really befuddled that he joined of his own free will. We know the cult preys on people who are vulnerable and at risk. They offer blind and disabled people a community who will love them and take care of them. They offer hope to people experiencing grief and loss.

My dad said that he was approached at a time when a lot of young adults were really scared and unsure of their world. It was during the Vietnam war and a lot of young men were being drafted. There was the sexual revolution going on and the music revolution and kids and young adults were just rebelling like the US hadn't seen before. The future was very uncertain and the JWs had answers. They had really appealing answers and they could tell you how to achieve the goals to get the rewards. And it wasn't super easy to track down all the fallacies in their doctrines and beliefs back then.

Why do people join today? With the internet and access, I don't know. I think people who join are still scared about their futures and want answers. They want easy answers more than they want the truth. And to be honest, I get it to a certain extent. If I didn't know how awful it is already, if I went and got love-bombed and people telling me all I had to do was A, B, and C in order to get this amazing prize... yeah, I might just fall for it too.

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You may PRETEND to care - in reality you are SELFISH!

by wannabefree in

that;s what my wife (and all jw's) gets to hear about us at the kingdom hall today, (hmmmm, i wonder if she'll raise her hand to answer this one) ... .

watchtower study ... today, apostates and others who create divisions in the congregation use “smooth talk and flattering speech.” (romans 16:17, 18) they may pretend to care about others, but in reality, they are selfish.. (the watchtower - study edition (simplified version) 10/17 page 4 paragraph 7).

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This is nothing new. 'Apostate' is the one really bad insult this religion has. Apostates are everything bad and nothing nice. They have been teaching people this all along. Just because we got out into the world and found out it is all lies, it doesn't change what they have been and continue to teach the people who are in it.

Quite frankly, I am shocked at anyone who is surprised by this. This is how they operate and always have.

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Does anyone like Steampunk?

by days of future passed in

i love people's being creative with this genre.

i stumbled on this video which is a lot of fun.

past the end credits is out takes and how it was made.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=211lnk5vnjm.

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@Days of Future Passed,

Awesome name! Fits JWs and the Moody Blues!

I just saw something on the instrument you mentioned. Found a ton of amazing instruments on youTube. All new to me.

If you are going to do art then you should stick with the mac. Mac is good because they get less viruses, but most people who use art programs use the mac. What they have is just miles better than everything else.

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Christmas music

by Are you serious in

today i made a classic christmas music station on pandora.

it's great being able to listen to this type of music at this time of the year without my conscience bothering me or in fear of being killed over it😁.

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One of my favorites... there is more to the song than the video shows... but good enough!

Bob and Doug sing the 12 Days of Christmas

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Jehovahs Witnesses – Does the Sect’s name really mean for what it is ?

by EverApostate in

the term jehovah’s witnesses sounded weird to me even when i was in that cult.

why does god need witnesses to prove his existence?

there is no need for anyone to create a movement called “suns witnesses” or “moons witnesses” – in order to prove its existence and glorify it, because the sun and moon are evident to every species on earth.

jwundubbed

Try thinking of witnesses, not as people who see the truth of a situation and stand ready to give verbal evidence of that truth (much like the 'witnesses' that the Cullens brought to them in the last book of the Twilight series ) but more like people who stand by the most powerful evil authority and watch while they 'save the righteous few' and 'slaughter the wicked many' (like the vampires the Vulturi brought with them to act as witnesses in the same book).

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Stop harassing jws

by pomo6780 in

we want people to learn ttatt.

we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.

however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.

jwundubbed

Confrontation. This may be you approaching a jw at a cart or while they are going in and out of their meeting places or conventions. While some will say this increases their persecution complex, I will say that in addition, it does have a damaging effect upon the mind. It's not normal for a total stranger to confront a person for their religious beliefs and use emotional tactics to win them over. A strange man speaking to a woman in the street could frighten her view of strangers. It has happened. Would we do that for jws? They don't deserve it, wouldn't we much rather want them on our side, unhurt by us?

Actually, it is completely normal for a stranger to walk up to someone selling BS and confront them on selling the BS. The person at the cart isn't an innocent bystander. They are trying to get people to buy what they are selling. They are selling hatred, among all the other bad ideas. I see no reason not to confront the cart people. But actually, I have found it much safer for everyone involved to simply complain to whatever entity the JWs are using to sit with their carts. If it is the bus station, then I call the transit company. I inform and educate those people who then disallow the JWs to sit there with their carts.

Emotional manipulation. If your wife or husband is still a jw, and you have kids who go to meetings. You don't want them to go. Fair enough. But how are you to know how they'll feel about it later in life? What if they as adults accuse you of manipulating them to be atheists, causing them to miss out on "freedom of worship"?

Good parents don't refuse to protect their children because of what their kids will think of them. They protect their children and make the best choices they can for them while they are kids knowing their children will rarely thank them for it. Any parent who makes a poor choice for their child because they want to look better in their child's eyes doesn't deserve to be a parent.

Why tell them they should not get baptised at 13, 14, 15.. when they only find out later you planned ahead so that when they reached adulthood they would be discouraged and pressured into listening to your advice?

Parents don't tell their children not to get baptized that young so that they can control them through manipulation. They tell their children that because they are CHILDREN. The organization is asking them to sign a contract when they don't even have a basic understanding of how contracts work, nor do they understand what the contract means in JW terms. They are well below the age of consent and their brains are still in development. They don't have the processing skills to make the right choices for themselves and don't have enough information to make an informed choice. If they wait, they can make a fully informed choice.

But I stand in my opinion that you either are a witness and automatically make a disciple out of your kid, or you become exjw and make sure your kid is an anti-witness. Same as the cult procedure, you're using their lives to become your personal vision for them.

I don't know where to start with this rubbish.

1.) God told his people to procreate and fill the earth so that they could dominate it. He did not tell his people to have children for the sole purpose of creating mindless gits. If you are a good disciple, you don't want to turn your children into disciples. You want to teach them to love God and do as he wishes from their own choice. Look at all the examples we were given of how important it is to choose God.

2.) My father had four children. He started questioning when we were children. He never told us his reservations. He made us go to all the meetings, he made us research our own questions, and he gave us more than one side to any idea. Instead of trying to make us into something, he taught us to be our own persons. That is what a good parent should do. His youngest daughter is still a JW. She made her own choice. Three of his other children are exJWs, but it wasn't because of him. It was because of the JW cult.

Instead of going into a meeting and disrupting its process by talking or shouting about child abuse, why not hand jws printed information in sealed envelopes?

Because it isn't the responsibility of victims to make the perpetrators comfortable. Because when you have been abused and harmed you lash out. That is how people react. Because abuses shouldn't be hidden in sealed envelopes, they should be shouted out until everyone knows about them.

That could be the most discreet and effective way to fool naive minds.

You know, the current social backlash against sexual harassment and sexual assault by people in power is the direct result of the victims being discreet. Being discreet is not effective against powerful people. And we don't want to fool naive minds. We want to educate people and help them to make informed choices. Fooling people is just a way to manipulate people. It is much better to be open and transparent.

Let them die out by your not giving them attention.

JWs don't want our attention. Ignoring bullies only works when the bullies want attention. The JWs don't want outside attention. That is why you have to be loud. Publishing stories about them only educates the public. People on this inside just assume it is apostate and persecution.

I don't advocate assaulting people. But I have no problem with people who are broadcasting the problems with the JWs in whatever way they feel necessary. I wouldn't advize those people to break the law, but the law hasn't been on the victims side for a long time.

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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!

by venus in

many people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.

in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).

it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.

jwundubbed

I am prefacing my comment with the fact that I am not an atheist. I believe in God. I also believe that God doesn't exist and you can't prove me wrong on either account because you have no proof either way. Personally, I believe what I believe and you can disagree with me, you can dislike my beliefs, but you can't change them and you can't prove me wrong. It's belief, not fact.

The premise is that the people teaching 'God' are wrong but God still exists. And you are absolutely right, in a sense. When we believe in things we make them real. We have a concept of something which cannot be proven and people believe the concept. Thus, yes. God is real.

As are Santa, dragons, magic, and many other things that a mass of people believe in, but for which there is no physical proof. They also exist because people believe in them. There is no point in trying to convince people who don't believe in them that they do exist. There is no proof and people who believe don't need proof.

I think a better question is why are you trying to convince people that you are right and they are wrong? Who cares that much what other people think about something that has zero impact on our lives. It is a supremely moot argument. Believe, don't believe. Noodles, no noodles. It's all the same in the grands scheme of things.

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Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?

by Splash in

what's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.

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@Carla

That is why they don't celebrate Thanksgiving."- yeah right. I think most jw's do in fact do Thanksgiving even if they sit around a table with a turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing & cranberry sauce telling each other that it is not Thanksgiving, it is. Doesn't matter if they it do it on Fri, Sat or Sun instead of Thurs to the rest of the sane world they ARE celebrating Thanksgiving. They just had to get everybody together on a different day like the rest of us do at times.

I can't speak for witnesses today but when I was in, No they didn't. We went to movies. My friends usually went to concerts or did things they didn't normally have time for on a Thursday. Most witnesses that I knew would work that day and get the extra holiday pay. I never knew any JWs who ate turkey, or any of the other Thanksgiving dinner dishes, at any point during Thanksgiving weekend.