Posts by seawolf

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Husband puts off wifes funeral for Elders meeting

by Sangdigger in

while reading minimuses post under "friends" about a sister who kept up auxillary pioneering even though her 5 year old daughter died, it brought to mind a similar story that happened just 2 months ago in a large cong.

an elder serving in that cong.

for many years now, lost his wife to heart complications.

seawolf

@ the stories in this thread.

My feelings too...

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Wonderful news about Iraq..NO NEED FOR WAR!

by freeman in

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well it looks like we will be sending our troops home, as we dont have to worry about iraq retaining, creating, or using weapons of mass destruction anymore (wmd).

the iraqi dictator has sent a note to the chief u. n. weapons inspector informing him that he (has just now enacted legislation making wmd's illegal.

this wonderful news was announced by a gleeful hans blix just today at a televised meeting at the u.n.

seawolf

Wen it comes to israel, I think you must bee brainwashd, what Israle are doing widh the palestinian peopel is a terribel thing, what about when they go into sabra and shatila and sluter 100 of peopel, on Sharson order, i think he some time have to pay fore this,

It looks like Sharon will eventually be going to the war crimes trial:

Israel accused Belgium of anti-semitism yesterday following a court decision which could lead to the prosecution of Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister.

The Belgian supreme court ruled on Wednesday that Israeli military commanders could be prosecuted for complicity in the massacre of 800 Palestinians in Lebanon in 1982.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,895069,00.html

William,

I agree. Things are going back downhill. Women are banned from being on radio again, boys in some areas are forbidden from going to school with girls, girls are not able to go to school since no women to teach them. It's going right back downhill again....

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2003/01/17/42209.html

Edited by - seawolf on 15 February 2003 18:11:7

Edited by - seawolf on 15 February 2003 18:14:47

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MILLIONS PROTESTING AGAINST WAR

by Realist in

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millions have protested against bush and his blood for oil war all across europe and the world!.

there is still hope for peace!

seawolf

roybatty,

Are you sure that if the US attacks that things are going to be any better? The US has already stated that they're going to be using more depleted uranium weapons. Have you seen all the cancer, birth defects, etc that depleted uranium has caused there already? Who is going to be in charge there? How much is this going to cost the US when all is said and done? Just saw a report on tv a few days ago and the estimates were that this could cost as much as a trillion dollars when all is said and done. How much of this war is being dictated by lobbying and other interests, be it oil, military, israeli, etc interests? Is this going to fan the flames of Arab hatred towards the US?

We were told over and over that Saddam isn't crazy and isn't nuts. We told him in 1991 that if he used WMD on us that we'd nuke him (to paraphrase stormin' norman's words). He didn't and thus we didn't nuke him. Now all of a sudden he is going to start lobbing crap at us knowing full well Israel has 200+ nukes and the US has $5 trillion of nukes that would make Iraq glow so bright that it would be seen from outside the Milky Way.

The people of Iraq don't really have much of a choice but to want Saddam gone. a decade+ of sanctions, the world constantly going on and on about Saddam this and Saddam that, yeah I would want him gone too just to move on. Yeah he's a dictator and a brutal one at that but so have been a lot of the US' allies in the past. We gave Saddam (as did a lot of other countries) a lot of his weapons and now we're being told we have to go in there because he has this and that. Say that everything we're being told is true. Why aren't we holding our governments responsible for this? It's like this happens over and over and nothing is done about it and it just keeps happenin' and now all hell is getting ready to break out because of another mess we've gotten ourselves into.

Not true. The US military is spending billions of dollars to develop GPS weapons so that civilians aren't killed. Also, do you think the US military is going to carpet bomb Bagdad? Why not?

Here's an interesting article about the batteries that go into these 'smart bombs.' Some are defective and it was covered up:

Civilian deaths caused by American bombings are creating tensions in Afghanistan and the country's new government has promised angry tribal leaders it will warn the U.S. to be more careful.

"The people are not happy with Americans. They promised they would not kill civilians," the government has said.

One cause of the casualties: smart weapons that have gone astray, reports CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales. United Nations officials believe more are missing their targets than the U.S. admits.

In some cases guidance systems failed. The batteries that power the guidance systems of nearly all of America's smart weapons are made at this Eagle Picher Technologies plant in Joplin, Mo. Without power from the battery, a smart bomb turns dumb.

As CBS News first reported last month, former plant workers including engineer Rick Peoples worry the batteries are failing.

"People's lives depend on those weapons working and chances are they are not going to work," said Peoples.

Eagle Picher attacked his credibility and denied the batteries were faulty. But after the reports, others came forward to support the allegations.

"There's bad batteries out there, and it's gonna kill people," said Toni Goodwin.

Goodwin has been with Eagle Picher since she was 18. The day before the interview she received a gold watch for 25 years of service.

"I'd give it back if it meant they'd spend this money to do things right," she said.

She says she was prevented from properly calibrating test equipment so supervisors could cover up bad batteries.

"They could have made that equipment say anything they wanted."

In a small town like Joplin few people are willing to risk their jobs or the anger of their neighbors by talking on-camera. But off-camera, more than a dozen former and current Eagle Picher employees confirmed the batteries had big problems.

Others, who also worry the batteries are causing civilian casualties, spoke on-camera only after CBS News agreed to protect their identities.

"I think a lot of innocent people are gonna be killed," said one woman.

"The battery would fail and the proper data to make it pass would be fed into the computer and new printouts made," said one man.

Asked if the test was faked, he said, "Yes."

Workers say key battery components and chemicals were used without proper testing.

"I've been told to falsify records. I've been told to falsify test reports," said another man.

When tests were conducted, employees said they were ordered to ignore failures.

"I wouldn't trust nothing. I've seen too many failures," said another woman.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/07/eveningnews/main323443.shtml

Has this problem been fixed? If not, does anyone care to take another guess on the amount of civilian casualities in Iraq again?

And is this going to be better than the last Gulf War? Here's an article on the war crimes in the first Gulf War:

As a result of the bombing of facilities essential to civilian life, residential and other civilian buildings and areas, at least 125,000 men, women and children were killed. The Red Crescent Society of Jordan estimated 113,000 civilian dead, 60% children, the week before the end of the war.

http://www.deoxy.org/wc/warcrim2.htm

I know you're concerned about the people of Iraq. I am, too. I just fear that this isn't going to help it and is going to make it worse. I guess time will tell. Regardless, at least we'll get to use some nice military hardware.

"What's the point in having this superb military you're always talking about if we can't use it" -- Madeliene Albright

Edit: Sorry on how this sounded. Was just trying to bring up some points.

Edited by - seawolf on 15 February 2003 17:10:36

Edited by - seawolf on 15 February 2003 17:13:23

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Just saw 'Gladiator' - WOW

by DanTheMan in

i know it's a few years old now, but i've just gotten around to seeing it.

what an incredible movie, one of the best, if not the best movie i've ever seen.

russell crowe is da man!!!!.

seawolf

yeah my hall was/is a big "no 'R' movies'" hall. The people I know in England went to see Terminator 2, Air Force One, etc at the theaters...the elders and everyone were going! haha I thought one of the things they preached was that God's laws are consistent? I guess just not when it comes to movies eh? It's one of the things I thought was pretty stupid. Either it's ok for people in the US and England to see or not ok. LOL I make up my own mind now.

I still haven't seen Gladiator.....I have it but just never watched it. Looks like I'll have to watch it this weekend.

Edited by - seawolf on 15 February 2003 13:10:5

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The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

by D8TA in

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while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

seawolf

here is a rundown of a lot of the Patriot II. It looks a lot worse than I originally thought!

Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administrations enemy combatant definition to all American citizens who may have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.) Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isnt broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person had inferred from conduct that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the enemy combatant terrorist designation.

SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.

SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of suspected terrorists and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as terrorist. These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the enemy combatant designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contemp charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: this is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever.

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the enemy combatant designation.

SECTION 122 restates the governments newly announced power of surveillance without a court order.

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime.

*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to totally break down any and all walls of privacy.

The government states that they must look at everything to determine if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners and medical examiners operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clintons special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistleblower protection for Federal agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to stop other unlawful activities. It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled Providing Material Support to Terrorism. The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or other criminals to use encryption in the commission of a crime.

SECTION 408 creates lifetime parole (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities.

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Israel Making Threats?

by Satanus in

http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com/pubarchive.php?iapinfo+833

speaking during an interview which was published in jerusalem friday, professor martin van crevel said israel had the capability of hitting most european capitals with nuclear weapons.

we possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at rome.

seawolf

how come stating facts about the jewish influence on politics and economy is viewed as antisemitic and illegitimate?

silly wabbit, you're not supposed to be paying attention to jewish influence!

Edited by - seawolf on 11 February 2003 19:59:17

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Israel Making Threats?

by Satanus in

http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com/pubarchive.php?iapinfo+833

speaking during an interview which was published in jerusalem friday, professor martin van crevel said israel had the capability of hitting most european capitals with nuclear weapons.

we possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at rome.

seawolf

yep, I know.

All of those people in high places, the AIPAC (4th largest lobby in the US and the largest foreign lobby) and all the money they have given to congress (http://www.wrmea.com/html/aipac.htm), it's no surprise that they have such power in the US and thus it's not surprising on the amount of stories that are covered up or 'dropped' under pressure from the AIPAC and JINSA. Stories like the massive Israeli spy scandel in the US, the entire US phone system being rigged with backdoors (tapped) through Comverse Infosys and Amdocs(http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html), etc. Heck, most people have not even heard of Jonathon Pollard. You'd think someone serving life in prison since 1987 for passing classified nuclear secrets to another country(Israel) and then that country passing them on to the Soviet Union, would be pretty well-known inside the United States. Israel was so proud of him that they granted him Israeli citizenship while he was in prison!

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What if the US loses?

by Robdar in

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what if we lose the war with iraq?

i watch the news and all commentators act as if our winning is a given.

yes, we are the biggest, baddest nation; we have the nukes, but what if?

seawolf

What if I fart a genie out of my a$$ and get three wishes?

That depends. Will Robin Williams be the voice of the genie?

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The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

by D8TA in

jw
friends

while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

seawolf

Now the Patriot Act II is coming......

Discussion on it here: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/02/07/2217253.shtml?tid=103

http://www.rense.com/general34/doj.htm

Dr. David Cole, Georgetown University Law professor and author of Terrorism and the Constitution, reviewed the draft legislation at the request of the Center, and said that the legislation "raises a lot of serious concerns. It's troubling that they have gotten this far along and they've been telling people there is nothing in the works." This proposed law, he added, "would radically expand law enforcement and intelligence gathering authorities, reduce or eliminate judicial oversight over surveillance, authorize secret arrests, create a DNA database based on unchecked executive 'suspicion,' create new death penalties, and even seek to take American citizenship away from persons who belong to or support disfavored political groups."

Edited by - seawolf on 8 February 2003 20:47:10

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Israel Making Threats?

by Satanus in

http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com/pubarchive.php?iapinfo+833

speaking during an interview which was published in jerusalem friday, professor martin van crevel said israel had the capability of hitting most european capitals with nuclear weapons.

we possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at rome.

seawolf

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.