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  Sheila Bowen's Letter To the GB!

  by Ranchette in

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  i knocked on the locked door of the appeal hearing last night after they had dismissed bill and told the six elders that i had something to say to them and told them it was summed up it a letter i had written.i then asked them if i could read it to them and they could have their own copy when i was finished.they said that would be fine.. here it is.

  governing body,.

  25 columbia heights.

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  seedy3

  That was a very brave and heart felt letter, you can almost feel the pain and agony that caused it to be written.

  I find that the 2 witness rule that is used by the WTS to be very outdated. If you figure 2,000 years ago when Paul reinforced the rule and moses instituted it 2,000 years prior to that, there was no real scientific way to investigate crimes. But today we do have these things and the need for 2 witnesses is not always necessary and often should not even be used. If there is an accusation of this kind of crime, there should be no doubt as to have it properly investigated by the local authorities, if the accused is innocent they will find that out, as well as if he/she is guilty.

  They say that "Gods Word" is unchanging, but think about it, parts of it are over 4,000 years old and the laws it uses often conflict with modern methods. This law being one of them. Now I'm not saying that the laws were not needed in thier day, but some of them are not aplicable to our day and time. For instance if your house was broken into, do you want the authorites to drop the investigation if they cannot find two people that saw the intruder? Or do you accept the fact that the finger prints that they lifted belonged to the neighbor kid down the street and push for him to be punished. Well under the law of moses he is innocent, there are no wittnesses, but under modern law it can be proven that he was the one that did the crime and will be punished.

  The same applies to the sexual abuse, most rapests are not convicted on an additional wittness, other then the victim. The convictions usually come from scientific evidence, the reason is, most of these crimes are without wittness other then the victim themselves.

  Perhaps the "Word of God" is unchanging, but the way it is applied should be, and much of it should be taken as principal rather then literal.

  IMHO
  Seedy
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  Is God a person, place, or thing?

  by Bleep in

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  just want to take a pole describing our father in heaven.

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  Hmmmm......... person, place or thing............

  Well lets look at the evidence, nah lets not..........

  I am wondering, are aliens, persons, or things, I'm pretty sure they are not a place.

  I once came upon this article about the "Watchers" it was really an interesting ideal that the "Gods" of the past may actually have been nothing more then alien beings that showed up and impressed the local natives with their technology. Now this is an interesting thought, because, if you actually look at the true interpitation of the Nephillaim and others they are actually these watchers or the word is used in that context even in the bible. Now don't get me wrong, I am not a wholly beleiver in that the Gods were aliens or not, but I do beleive that God is not a real entity. I feel there are many different reasons for God in every culture. Some are perhaps aliens, some are perhaps just an explaination of nature and it's awesome power. As far as this God of the bible, I do think he and many others have a strong case of being of alien beginings.

  The name YHWH did not start with the Hebrews, he was a Canaanite minor God long before the Hebrews adopted him as the almighty. When the Hebrews took on the Almighty YHWH, they added to him the Personality and ideals that the Canaanites had about their almighty God El, whom YHWH was a son of to them, along with Baal who was in actuallity the brother of YHWH, but (Baal) was in a far more powerful position at the time. It really makes me wonder, if perhaps the fight between YHWH and Baal was really nothing more then a sibling rivalry. Hmmm Just a thought to ponder.

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  How Many Here Have Been Shunned?

  by Reborn2002 in

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  as most of you already know, the jehovah's witnesses are covering an article in their august kingdom ministry to be discussed the weeks of 8/19 and 8/26 which details how they are to shun and avoid those who are no longer members of their organization, even immediate family members.. .

  undoubtedly this article has been written to reinforce to the rank&file jehovah's witnesses the shunning policy, so as to tighten the ranks and prevent members from having the opportunity to learn the abundant contradictions and hypocrisies found within watchtower doctrine and practice from any who may have left.. this policy also serves to divide families and attempt to shame or abuse those whom have chosen to no longer be jehovah's witnesses, for whatever reason.. that much is obvious.

  in recent days this topic has been discussed in detail in various threads.

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  Oh I forgot to mention,

  At the memorial for my mother, my son was there. While other JW relitives, such as my sister, her husband, and my nieses. were offering condolences, he made a point to stay on the other side of the room from me so he would not be near enough for me to say anything to him. When we went to the reception afterwards, again he stayed as far away from me as possible, even though JW's that Knew I was DF'd but didn't know me would speak to me on a limited basis. Well he made his bed, now he can lay in it.

  Seedy
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  August KM Insert RE: Disfellowshipping???

  by back2dafront in

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  can anyone verify that the insert in the august km states/reiterates one can be disfellowshipped for speaking to a family member?

  i read this through a jahchristian newsletter i received and want to verify that it is actually true.

  jason.

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  there is a scanned image of it here

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=34256&site=3

  Seedy
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  How Many Here Have Been Shunned?

  by Reborn2002 in

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  as most of you already know, the jehovah's witnesses are covering an article in their august kingdom ministry to be discussed the weeks of 8/19 and 8/26 which details how they are to shun and avoid those who are no longer members of their organization, even immediate family members.. .

  undoubtedly this article has been written to reinforce to the rank&file jehovah's witnesses the shunning policy, so as to tighten the ranks and prevent members from having the opportunity to learn the abundant contradictions and hypocrisies found within watchtower doctrine and practice from any who may have left.. this policy also serves to divide families and attempt to shame or abuse those whom have chosen to no longer be jehovah's witnesses, for whatever reason.. that much is obvious.

  in recent days this topic has been discussed in detail in various threads.

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  Until reciently I had not really been shunned, My mother who just passed away never ever shunned me and neither did my dad up to the day he died 8 years ago. I have one sister that is still an active JW, she never really made an effort to stay in touch with me, but then again that was not unusual even when I was a JW. My oldest son reciently went back to the Jdub's (about 2 years ago) and never really wnated much contact with me, but never really totally put me off if I called or I happend to see him. But, when my mother died on the 23rd of July, I flew to the states for the memorial and sitting there was a letter from my son, addressed to my youngest daughter, explaining to her why he wasn ot going to have anything to do with me and would not ever again speak to me. She offered to let me read it, but I refused as I said I already know all the STUPID JW reasoning. She said it didn't sound like his writing, and was full of scriptures and such, I would assume it was from her description take out of the Aug KM, as he never had that attitude prior to now.

  So I guess, for the first time in 25+ years I have finally been shunned. I really wonder if he really feels it will make me want to go back to the Borg? I told on e of my sisters that I cna't see myself even being a christian, much less a JW ever again. So what does it gain? Nothing, just the splitting up of family, What arrogent bastards the Governing body is.

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  I MAY HAVE HIT BOTTOM

  by BONEZZ in

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  i thought i'd hit it several times before...as i have been thru the divorce over the past couple of years...lost all my so-called friends...lost my belief in what i thought was the "truth"....and now my own loving daughter, being the good little dub she is has told me she doesn't want me to walk her down the aisle at her wedding.

  she told me today at lunch.

  i almost threw up.

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  Bonezz,

  I'm very sorry to hear this, but sadly it is all too often the story with the dubs. I just got back from Minneapolis, to attend my mothers funeral. I walked away from the Borg over 25 years ago and my son reciently returned to them. At my mother funeral while many of the Dubs did offer condolences to me for my mothers passing, my son, whom I stood by while he was going through all his teenage BS with the law and such, refused to even look at me, much less talk to me. I seldom let the shunning bother me, but this one did take the cake, all the support I had offered him during his teens and a place to live when his mother threw him out, it makes me sick to think I was once a part of that group of idiots. If he thinks that the advice in the Aug KM is going to make we want to "come back" he has another BIG think coming. I get a huge kick of the examples that the WTS uses to justify their shunning policy, as the KM tired to do. This shun your DF'd family members and they will want to come back type CRAP. What it really does is makes me madder and hate WTS even more.

  All a person can do is hope our children will wake up before it's too late.

  Seedy
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  HOW MANY HERE HAVE HAD JUDICIAL ACTION?

  by minimus in

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  many of the posters here have been in the organization for years.during the time that you have been associated, have you ever had to go before a commitee?

  did you confess to something or were you confronted by the elders?

  were you ever accused of something but it couldn't be proven?

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  Let's see:

  During the time that you have been associated, have you ever had to go before a commitee?

  No, I was not requested to go before a JC until about 3 years after I had quit going to meetings and moved 300 miles away from the congragation I used to attend. (In fact, I don;t think I ever went to the meetings at the congragation that DF'd me, but my wife did)

  Did you confess to something or were you confronted by the elders?

  I didn't confess anything, and I was never questioned, Actually I never went, I told them to shove their meeting up their asses.

  Were you ever accused of something but it couldn't be proven?

  Well, it was sort of hard to hide the fact that I had gotten remarried. (I guess I could have told them I never had sex with my new bride ROFL)

  Did your experience with the elders affect your view of the organization?

  Nope, I already knew they were screwed in the head. It really only confirmed that they were errogent c*** suckers and lived for power over others.

  Seedy
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  What I have to say will probably provoke a..

  by PandaJ in

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  ..response from jehovah's witnesses.

  it may label me "meddlesome" or even "unforgiving".

  i realize and accept that as a consequence of what i am about to say.

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  Hmmmmm too many big words for us JW high school drop outs, I actually had to get out my dictionary. :)

  Seedy

  P.S. Actually I have not posted in a while and thought this was a good place to put a BS post. LOL
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  How to Spot Satan's Harlots - Wiccans!

  by COMF in

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  seedy3

  WOOOOO.......... I was reading that and thought it was for real until I got to the end, LMAO. I'm going as I am reading "What the F***, are they using for sources?" LOL, anyhow I did get a real kick out of the comaparison to the Jews and drinking young christian childrens blood.

  I studied Wicca for a while and I remember that was one of the first things they teach you is how to lead a christian into the bleeding Chamber. ROFL

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  is the WTBTS the False Prophet??

  by 67mustang in

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  i was wondering if anybody thinks the wtbts is possibly the "false prophet" of revelation???.

  please comment.

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  Lets see, the false prophet of Revelations, things that make you go Hmmmm. I guess first off you need to beleive that Revelations was a prophecy given by God. Then you have to try to understand that that dude was most likely stoned on some sort of Mushroom or something like that.

  But aside from that, yes they are false prophets, but I doubt anything will ever come out of revelations.

  Seedy