did you for a time think it was still the only true religion and that you were just condemned as long as you were out.
i read a comment by ghosthunter today that kind of echoed my feelings.
i know if i had never read the things i had read here, i'd still have left, for i did that before reading and learning, but i would have been out without the freedom from guilt and damnation.....
I just wanted out, and at first I guess I was resolved to die in the "Great day of Jehovah", but it was not too long and I figured out that it was not the truth, then a little while later, I started my research onto religions and figured out that religions are pretty much full of myths and trickery anyhow, especially christianity, so I really got over my fear of the GREAT death that I had feared for so long.
Seedy
ok, so i'm trying to just plant a tiny seed of doubt somewhere in the cracks of my mothers mind, but that woman has 'jehovah' tattooed on her chest!
anyway, i would not only like help for her benefit but also for my benefit.
so it all started when i questioned her about 1914.... i wrote to her: 'as you had suggested i wanted to do some research.
There is a very lengthy multi-part report on the 1914/607 idea here on this page http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm just scroll down the page a little ways ane you'll see it
Seedy
due to a problem with the server i was using for the maps i have had to move them so we can still have access to them and post them here.
so if you were wondering where we are from.
or how close you are to other jwd posters in your area just take a look.. ballistic has done an amazing job with the map of the uk you can find it at .
Ladylee, I have put a copy of your map in my uploaded files that shows where I am, it you can take a look at it and add my location to yours
thx,
Seedy
due to a problem with the server i was using for the maps i have had to move them so we can still have access to them and post them here.
so if you were wondering where we are from.
or how close you are to other jwd posters in your area just take a look.. ballistic has done an amazing job with the map of the uk you can find it at .
Ok ok, I'm here too!!!!
Alright, how do I do this, I'm trying to upload the map on here and cannot seem to...........................HELP!!!!!!!!!!
can someone look up this article and tell me if it says anywhere on pg 604 .
"if heaven were made the receptacle of the heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and infants" and give a complete quote i do not have access to them.
thanks seedy
Thanks so much blondie, I figured it was a typo on the date, but was not sure.
Seedy
can someone look up this article and tell me if it says anywhere on pg 604 .
"if heaven were made the receptacle of the heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and infants" and give a complete quote i do not have access to them.
thanks seedy
Can someone look up this article and tell me if it says anywhere on pg 604
"If heaven were made the receptacle of the heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and INFANTS" and give a complete quote I do not have access to them
Thanks Seedy
i realize that most of us have neither the time nor interest for complex arguments about the bible.
so lets us this thread for posting examples of anachronisms obvious to anyone reading with an eye to see them.
i'll start with some rather glaring statements in the pentatuch that preclude moses as the author as is claimed by jew and xtian alike.
I was reading an article, and I'll be darned if I can find it now, that made the point that moses could not have written the first books of the bible for one very large reason. Many of the places, villages, cities and such did not exist in the days of Moses, many of them came long after. The places however did exits in about the 500's BC. Thus showing the link between the babylonian/pesian influence on the writings, as that is either during or just after the exile to babylon.
another interesting note it the book of daniel, and how so much in dealing with the 500's BC is not completely correct and how they are skimmed over until they get into the "Prophetic" stories of the 200's BC and then how very accurate they become and very detailed. The thought is that Daniel was written somewhere around the 200's BC and not earlier.
I have always contended that the Bible is not the book of the eyewitnes accounts they claim it is, but a fairytale that was made up from many many different traditions and adopted by the Hebrews
Seedy
i know that many ex-jws have joined various christian denominations or have become non-denominational christians.
do any of you now believe in the hellfire hell of eternal physical torment?
if not, do you now have some other view of hell that differs from the jw view of it?
Hmmm hell, eternal, fire, hmmm Well sometimes I think it's hell when I visit my mother in law, but it's for sure not eternal
Seedy
1. will the real dummy please stand up?
at&t fired president john walter after nine months, saying he lacked intellectual leadership.
he received a $26 million severance package.
LMAO, I read a site that listed some from 2002 and the kicker was this guy that bought a new winnebago motor home , as he was tooling down a freeway, he put it into cruise control and got up out of the drivers seat, to make a cup of tea, of course he crashed off to the side of the road and runined his new motor home. He sued winnebago for damages because the owners manual didn't say you had to stay in the seat while in cruse control............ and the idiot won. Now that's what i call moronic.
Seedy
i know there are some here that deep down inside themselves,,, they know this is true,,,,, but can't seem to be brave enough,,, ,,to say it.. .
this jeho myth has got you afraid to think anything negative about jeho-bubba.
heres the idea:
The God of the bible how ever you want to pronounce his name or just call him GOD or LORD, what ever is and always has been a ruthless dieity, right from the get go. Look at the first book of the bible, genisis, when he created man he gave him free will, my ass he did, free will is to do what you want freely, make up your own mind as to right and wrong. His first command to the first couple was to not eat from some tree to give them knowlege of good and bad, well hold on here, that's a catch 22, because if they didn't know bad already then it could not have been bad to eat of the tree because they didn't know bad (evil in some translations). I've heard evangilists try to justify this gods thurst for human blood as loving, the point that comes to mind is the comments by Patty Robertson about the killing of Canaanites as being loving, because if he didn't they would have grown to be millions in the next few generations and then he would not have to kill only a few thousand of them but millions. STUPID reasoning, if he was loving he would have stopped it at 2 (Adam and Eve). The bible is filled with nothing but blood and gore, ethnic cleansing, and sexual perversions of all sorts. This YHWH is not a loving god, in giving free choice to all mankind, he gives you 2 choices, choice 1: Worship me with all you have, choice 2: Death if you don't. WOW that's what I call freedom.................NOT!
Seedy
