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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

Seeker

How else do you suppose we should interpret what I wrote when I said that the "present financial system will be in a full-blown panic crisis; and, if not in a crash-down mode, then certainly in a state of war"?

Why not interpret it precisely the way you said it? And since there is not yet a financial full-blown panic crisis, nor a financial crash-down mode, nor a financial state of war (whatever THAT could possibly be), your wager is still up in the air with a little over a month to go.

Now, if you had predicted the U.S. would go to war, that would have been a lucky guess. But as usual, you didn't even get that one right. Still, when you figure out what you meant by a financial system going to war, you let us know. You said earlier in this thread that it would be idiotic to take that statement at face value. Quite right, it is idiotic to believe what you say.

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My JW Mothers' Words Of "Love"

by Ranchette in

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well, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.

i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.

i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.

Seeker

JWs, emotionally, are like children: distracted by every shiny object that comes into their line of vision. Their latest shiny object is the WTC attack, and now they are all excited and sure of themselves again. A few years from now the same ennui will set in and discouragement will be rampant. Then another shiny object will come up in their view and they will get excited all over again, forgetting all their past disappointments.

When they do squelch the majority of terrorism, I can see the possibility of the notable cry of Pease and Security, since the US and allies and even some who aren’t allies are drawn together in this. There is no turning back the wheels that are in motion.

ROFL! She needs to read more history to see how often alliances fall apart when expediency calls. I am afraid she is in for some serious disappointment in the years to come.

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More Trashy Welfare Recipients.......

by LDH in

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nope.

1. the big mouth latina wearing the gold door-knocker earrings.

2. the skanky burnt out white chick with no teeth on one side.

Seeker

Corporations are increasingly running the world, politicians included. Those who have the money get the laws passed that they want. Corporations have the money, they benefit from the laws. It's an extremely simple equation.

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I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?

by Englishman in

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the uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.

it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.

Seeker

the last time I checked the US was a democracy of the people

Check again. We do NOT have a democracy. We have a republic (remember, "...and to the republic for which it stands..."). What is the difference? In a democracy, all of us would be voting for each new law. Instead, we have a republic, which means we vote for people to go to Washington and vote on laws on our behalf. They are supposed to vote the way we tell them, but in reality they usually vote the way the group with the most money contributed wants them to vote.

One of the biggest myths in America is that we have a democracy. We have elements of democracy, but we, the people, do not have a direct voice.

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Special Meeting - New Work Announced

by ozziepost in

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it is reported that a special meeting has been held of all the district overseers in the usa and the new york city circuit overseers at which it was announced that the field ministry would now be changed until further notice, effective immediately.

for the time being no literature is to be offered or the suggested offer.

the publishers are to advise each householder that due to recent events we are not engaging in our regular work, we are offering comfort where needed from the bible to help cope with the tragedy.

Seeker

outnfree,

The time for volunteering has passed. For the past week, only professionals have been let onto the attack site in NYC. So to be fair, even if the Society wanted to send volunteers to clear out rubble (they don't), they wouldn't be allowed to at this stagge.

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'Lost' redux

by Rex B13 in

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being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

Seeker

Rex is a good man. We go back several years and despite my arguments with his views, I have always had a personal respect for him.

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anyone else ever feel like this??

by lydia in

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i've been mulling over this and i'm finding that its common with several of my extended family who were raised in the org.

- seems that the feeling of never doing enough for the org.

( to obtain a place in the "new system" ) has spilled over into other areas of our lives.

Seeker

Lydia,

My first reaction was that this was more of a psychological issue, but then I re-read your comment and saw that you are talking about people who grew up in the organization. In that case, your formative childhood years were spent being told that you aren't doing enough, etc. Basically, this was a form of emotional child abuse on a certain level, and it's very understandable why you would have these feelings. They were, after all, instilled in you from birth onward.

This is not a universal feeling among ex-JWs, though it's probably fairly common. So a lot depends on the person's individual personality. If you find that this is causing serious problems in life, a form of therapy would probably be the most helpful. A cheaper, if less effective, approach would be talk therapy -- here! You can find others who share this background, and see you are not alone, and also don't deserve to feel this way. You can do enough.

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Bethel experience

by Carlo in

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hello brothers and sisters.

i'm a circuitoverseer.

i recieved this upbuilding experience to share with fellow witnesses.. -----------------------------------------------------------.

Seeker

In fact, one Indian psychiatrist with whom we spoke was openly upset and angry. She shared her lack of faith in God due to all the suffering in the world and admitted that she was at somewhat of a loss on what to say to the survivors whom she was attending.

And another potential sucker is born. Why is this so hard to understand? What happened two weeks ago, horrible as it was, is quite understandable. That is, it's not hard to explain the motives of the terrorists, disagree with those motives as I do. So why can't this psychiatrist buy a clue? These experiences are just what JWs look for as targets, and it's a shame.

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'Lost' redux

by Rex B13 in

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being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

Seeker

Rex,

With all due respect, your post sounds as if you get your information from conservative radio talk shows. Real life is far more complicated than that, and I would be happy to discuss it with you in depth some time. Your views are heavily skewed in one political direction.

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'Lost' redux

by Rex B13 in

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friends

being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

Seeker

P.S. Atheists have no agenda, other than a non-belief in your god. Stop repeating this lie. Maybe political groups have agendas, but not atheists unless they belong to those groups in addition to their non-belief in your god.