Posts by NeverKnew

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Why do the Governing Body do it ??

by Phizzy in

when i was an active jw the constant demands for loyalty and obedience to the gb used to really annoy me, and mrs phizzy.. why on earth do they do it in such a shrill, screaming and obvious way ?.

they sound like spoilt kids, "you must play the game our way".. it was partly that constant harping that really helped me to wake up, i came to see just how much they had usurped the place of jesus.. surely it is counter-productive to do the demands as they do, loud and blatant.

they could get the same results with a seemingly humble attitude, after all, the new pope is the vicar of christ by title, but he comes over as humble..

NeverKnew

They could get the same results with a seemingly humble attitude, after all, the new Pope is the Vicar of Christ by title, but he comes over as humble.

I'd like to add that given the Pope's background, he'd have MANY reasons to be more arrogant than the Popes of the WTS. His real-world experiences alone probably tops their collective experiences. He was a chemical lab technician, janitor AND nightclub bouncer!?!

While public, Wikipedia has over 250 citation references. His academic background is amazing.

This article says a lot about his leadership style: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/17/when-pope-francis-was-put-on-laundry-duty/

Compare the pope's leadership style to the GB's leadership style. Who's going to obtain more heartfelt followers?

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Does anyone here believe that things are worse than they were in the past?

by Trismegistus in

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i still hear this crop up every once in a while, so i figured that i'd open it up to a wide audience.. things are looking pretty good to me..

NeverKnew

After learning that over a third of Witnesses in America are Black, I find this notion an insult to the memory of those who struggled for the equality of Blacks in America.

While Whites may have been enjoying some semblence of peace and prosperity in the 50's (compared to the Great Depression and "World" wars), over one-third of the JW's ancestors were trying to find facilities for [insert "N" word here]. These "facilities" included luxuries such as toilets and water fountains. Can you imagine the fear of being hung from a tree, bullied, raped or killed by another human and having NO RECOURSE? THINGS ARE WORSE???? Which would have been YOUR preference?... slavery?

They gotta be kidding me...

As a non-jw, I was caught off guard the last time this was said to me and spent the next few moments processing (translating) WTH* they were saying. A few hours later I was PI$$ED.

All the fighting your ancestors did for YOU and THIS is where you are?????

Nothing gets me revved up more than this phrase now. I'm on the bad language line so I need to stop. Please pray for the next African-American JW who makes this remark in my presence. Please.

*cleansed for public viewing... that's as clean as I can make the ugliness of this

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Talk about depressed

by zeb in

my wife is preparing to spend hundreds on a lap top to take into the field service.

i carefully mentioned that the wts has gone from condemning the web to now using it.. her reply" no they never condemned it just said to people to be careful in using it".

my memories of convention speakers must be different and" this is the way things are now; its all downloaded from the web".. with that as a given then why isnt the wts issuing computers to any one who wants one?

NeverKnew

Free computer classes are available for those unfamiliar with technology at my church. Maybe the WTS is going to use that money from the real estate sales to train the sales force.

Do tablets work with the WTS's new web stuff?

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Asked my christian co-workers.....

by DS211 in

NeverKnew

Neon

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Yearbook is late this year

by factfinder in

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usually i recieve an advanced yb but have not this year.

i also notice they have not posted it yet on jw.org.. i wonder if this is due to problems at the printery at wallkill or they decided to produce the yb later from now on?.

or perhaps they decided not to publish it any more.. anyone have any info on this?.

NeverKnew

I know that ex-jws wait with baited breath for the stats/figures.

Are active JWs looking at stats/figures or are they looking forward to the articles that affirm their own truth?

I guess I'm asking, do THEY care about the numbers?

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here a picture of me, and one of me and my son

by unstopableravens in

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NeverKnew

ah.... look! He's toooooo friggen cute to be a Ravens fan. I can see he will definitely grow up to be a Steelers fan.

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Book of Enoch fills in many gaps in the bible and it's older than Revelation....

by EndofMysteries in

this book is very interesting.

it's supposedly written about 300bc, whereas revelation is around 70ce.

in the bible, the book of daniel, it speaks of "the watchers".

NeverKnew

Ah... the deuterocanonicals of the Old Testament. The Roman Catholic Church still includes the deuterocanonicals in their New American Bible. I just visited a RCC a couple of months ago. The second reading was from the book of Tobit so they are actively included. Sirach is also included in the NAB.

And yes, the deuterocanonicals lend towards a better understanding of the New Testament and I'd know more off of the top of my head if I would have been more attentive in high school. *sigh*

There are several New Testament Books that were almost chopped for various reasons. James with his works-based salvation and Revelation were two of them. Seems like one or more of the others may have had "too" many references to the Old Testament deuterocanonicals - not sure what kind of metrics were used for "too" but moot point now since, to my knowledge, nothing was removed.

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I'm Really Disappointed

by mrquik in

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having been out 5 yrs.

& attending numerous christmas parties & family get togethers, i can't tell you how disappointed i am.

i was led to believe wild debauchery, drinking & fighting was the norm.

NeverKnew

MrQuik et al:

I sincerely apologize for our failure to live up to the WTBTS's statements but there's hope. I bought TWO bottles of Roscato wine for Christmas dinner and there's only 5 of us that will be here.

Maybe we'll do some debauchery after that!

I'll let you know. :)

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Went to church for the first time in a long long time.

by Crazyguy in

well its been since i was around 5 years young that i last went to church.

so today i went to a church of a friend and it was very nice.

they sang some songs with a band, good songs unlike jw's.

NeverKnew

It's really good to hear that you left feeling great! I'm denominationally unaffiliated and absolutely love my freedom. My contribution to a church is ALWAYS proportionate to the level of care a church shows towards the community. As a non-member, I suspect some of the churches I've attended got huge surprises some weekends.

You know what's nice about going to the KH? I walk in with an Ipad and a cell phone for the hotspot. Knowing I won't need it, I leave my purse at home.

Welcome home. :)

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Christmas Field Service

by NeverKnew in

on another thread, i read that a few adherents may be traveling (cough-cough) to other cities and wouldn't be able to make field service on christmas day.. what is the likelihood that going out on christmas will be encouraged at the weekend services at the khs?

...or do most halls stay neutral on this?

given what i've read on this forum, i have the impression that disrespecting a day of other's celebration wouldn't be discouraged which annoys the heck out of me..

NeverKnew

I have to admit, I believe that everyone in the congregation knows I'm a "visitor" despite my going quite a few times. I'm also not shy when it comes to expressing my disdain for speaking disrespectfully about other denominations to any within hearing range. I wondered if they'd speak of an intentional disrespect given my statements to various members.

Christmas wasn't mentioned once.