Posts by NeverKnew

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For the ones who believe in Bible - What does the scriptures here imply on subjection to religious leaders? - Hebrews 13:17-19, 22-25

by MissConfused in

do we really need an organization and need to be in subjection to it as god always chose leaders (abhraham, moses, jesus, apostles)?

what are your thoughts?

how can you reason this out?.

NeverKnew

Hi Miss,

I'm with Crazyguy... in 1 Cor. 3:18-23, we see that folks were already becoming followers of men. Paul is VERY clear about identifying oneself as a follower of men in this passage. He tells us that the wisdom of men is foolishness (folly) to God and not to boast in men.

I don't believe that the collective wisdom of 8 mortals in Brooklyn, NY is any more impressive than the wisdom of 1 in Vatican City. If you find yourself arguing about which man is more right, you've completely missed the point.

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Another Revised NWT Thread - subtly sowing seeds of doubt with chart

by mindnumbed in

pages 1744 thru 1746 feature a chart of the kings of the southern kingdom, ending with zedekiah in 607.. praise the new bible and all of the teaching aids .... draw attention to kings list and how convenient that is ... but, strangely, i decided to look up information in an encyclopedia about the different kings, and the dates are not the same ... so i checked a couple of sources and they are all different than the chart in the bible .... why would that be?.

NeverKnew

For those who do not have the new Bible, is the RNWT chart online?

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I'm Taking A "Newly Interested One" To Her First Meeting

by Zandor in

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friends

i've been out of the organization for quite a number of years, and still feel that uneasy feeling that was washed into every cell of my being by wt indoctrination since birth.

never seems to go away completely, does it?.

i use to feel the need to talk about my experience in the organization to others, to worldlies, and they never quite seem to understand.

NeverKnew

I completely understand her. I, too, had no exposure to what was taught in your KHs. Now I feel like I know too much and it's crushing my relationships with those who are JWs.

I'm going to assume you're no longer in so hopefully she will never have to be where I am.

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Images of Christ in homeowners living space

by NeverKnew in

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friends

what goes through a jw mind when they're sitting in a home with two 8x10 pictures of christ hanging from the wall?.

anything?

do they care?

NeverKnew

What goes through a JW mind when they're sitting in a home with two 8x10 pictures of Christ hanging from the wall?

Anything? Do they care?

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no birthday celebration after all

by losingit in

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friends

new boyfriend is upset bc an old boyfriend when i was a teenager is on my fb friend list and wished me a happy birthday.

was supposed to go to turkish embassy for cultural celebration.

my first birthday in years, and total freaking meltdown.

NeverKnew

LosingIt -

Non-jw here. You've never been offended by a JW before? If not, you're going to have to develop a thicker skin and definitely deepen your relationships with other non-jws.

I remember the first time I sneezed in a roomful of JWs. I was totally confused by the failure of any one of these pious ones to say, "Bless You." Silly me! They may as well have said in unison, "F you!"

I remember the first time I told two of them - on the day of my birthday that it WAS my birthday. Awkward silence followed.... WTH? I felt like screaming... "Let's practice. The POLITE response is, 'oh! I didn't know!... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!'" They may as well have said, "F you."

I remember the first time I invited one to meet a family member who was coming into town on Thanksgiving. No response and no appearance. Their failure to respond was rude. I would have appreciated it if they would have said, "F you." At least I would have known they weren't coming.

I remember the first time I was told that the reason for not visiting a church was because of a desire to only be involved with "TRUE" worship. I'm thinking they may as well have said, "F you." I would have gotten that.

I remember the first time I heard the phrase, "I'm not leaving Jehovah..." after I presented a carefully constructed offer to show the arguments (courtroom-style argument, not combative argument) that supported Trinitarianism. Took me a few minutes, but I soon realized the response translated to, "F you."

I remember ALL the times I've asked JWs to support THEIR doctrines with respect to

Jesus being their mediator,
The word "Jehovah" being the creation of a Roman Catholic monk (according to THEIR literature),
The year 1914 being originally a prophecy of Armegeddon,
The year 606 being the original date of the destruction of the temple that was later moved to 607,
Nobody else on planet Earth knowing anything about 607 being the date of the destruction - INCLUDING THE JEWS THEMSELVES,
Michael aka Christ,
Marriages after Armegeddon being non-existent,
the 144,000 being Jewish male virgins,
... should I go on?

Guess my response for each query ...either they pulled a disappearing act or stated "I can't give you any more information than I already have. THAT'S the answer."

Each of them may as well have said, "F you."

Go disppear with a non-jw and have coffee. When your BF finally says, what'd you do?... tell him you spent the time with non-jws and really appreciated their celebration of your existence in this world.

"F" him.

I doubt that you do, but gosh I wish you lived near me. *giggling*

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Do You Think Many Engaged JW Couples Fooled Around B4 Marriage?

by minimus in

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friends

when i was an elder, i had a few couples approach me to confess that they either played around or went all the way.. i suspect there were many more that did not admit to it, though..

NeverKnew

SFPW

While I'm sure such things have happened, it's probably not to the same extent as those in the world that get involved with hanky panky.

I have a bit of bad news for ya...

Long ago, at 15, my JW friends found it necessary to share their sexual lives with me. I took this information back to my just as clueless as me non-JW friends.

Did I mention I've never been a JW?

Decades later, I'm still provided with TMI. Sucks that people in your congregations can be more honest with non-JWs than JWs.

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The bible condemns Christian religions that teach, Wait!

by Crazyguy in

know where in the bible will you find christian religions being condemned for teaching the trinity or hell fire doctrines, but you will find jesus condemning those that come as messiah's or christs (both mean anointed) and declaring 'the time is near'.

you will also find paul cursing anyone that preaches a gospel different then the apostles preached as well as cursing those that change or add to the bible.

oh darn jw's thats you, you fit the bill in all of these!!!!!!

NeverKnew

I loved the facial expressions on a couple of witnesses when they asked ME questions about traditional Christianity and I responded "they didn't put my picture in your Bible?... that's strange, it should be next to James 3:1."

After they looked it up and we had our laugh, I got serious and asked if everyone in their denomination had to "teach" from door to door.

I listened as they danced uncomfortably through the semantics.

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The new bible did NOT remove the previously [bracked inserted words], it only removed the brackets, so it's even more deceptive..

by EndofMysteries in

many said how they removed the bracketed words, etc.

here is an example, an older bible in exodus 18:16 would say this....."i must make known the decisions of the [true] god and his laws.".

the word "true" is not in the original manuscripts, it's inserted, hence the [ ].

NeverKnew

Didn't someone say that the Interlinear was available as a parallel? If that's the case, haven't they just screwed themselves by removing the brackets?

Which would hold the greater weight - the Interlinear or the RNWT?

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

NeverKnew

Definitely will use this!

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Can the jw organization be reformed?

by wannaexit in

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friends

i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

i don't feel like that anymore.

NeverKnew

I'm an outsider so take what I saw with a grain of salt. I'm only going by that which I understand. I hold myself responsible for my own theological interpretations and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me.

That said, to me, you're asking if something that started off as a corporation that used religion to make money can become a religion.

IMHO, no.

It's a corporation leveraging religion to make money. The acquistion of the product is POST-mortem so they can claim any craziness they want to keep a person trapped in their insanity.

There's no such thing as a post-mortem money back guarantee and dead people cannot sue for false claims.

What a safety net, huh.