Posts by Riley

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Two Powers in Heaven

by peacefulpete in

while this topic might at first seem to come from left field, it has arisen in my mind when reading a number of recent threads.

this topic in full requires many hours of research to fully assimilate but i'm now only introducing the topic and encouraging further reading.

in short, by the end of the common era judaism included various heavenly figures that took on roles that, for all practical purposes, were those of god.

Riley

The entire new testament is making reference to weird plurality of god in the old testament.

God is invisible but seems to appear to people as the word of the lord, angel of the lord, wisdom of the lord, the glory of god. Paul then later takes a bunch of very monolithic quotes from the old testament and makes them instead of just LORD it becomes Jesus and God. Its is like they are expanded.

Mike Heiser does a great lecture on this subject using that " Two Powers in Heaven " book.

In in the beginning was the word.....................no one has ever seen god, just the son.

My watchtower was ended in 56 minutes. Like a kick in the stomach.

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How did you find Jehovah's Witness meetings?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.

i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.

perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.

Riley

Once I realized not a single person in the Hall could give a brief summary of the Book of Romans or realize the entire gospel of John is about Jesus being the physical manifestion of god in the old testament , the whole thing became thing pointless and laughable.

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Has anyone else felt like this ?

by Riley in

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friends

about three years ago , there was a son of an elder in my hall ( and i use the term " my hall " in a very loose term ) who committed suicide.

the guy was real asshole but not one deserves something like that.

i read his sons obit online.

Riley

About three years ago , there was a son of an elder in my hall ( and I use the term " My Hall " in a very loose term ) who committed suicide. The guy was real asshole but not one deserves something like that. I read his sons Obit online. It had his birthday , his baptize day and the rest of the obit is a sales pitch for the WTS. Just gross IMHO.

My question here is

A. Is the current WTS teaching a works based salvation in which you never know if you have done enough but if you kill yourself , you get a free trip to paradise ?

B. This elder hasn't seemed to miss a beat since his sons death. I feel an evil presence when I see him and get knots in my stomach. I just want to call him out , Kick the shit out him...................just do something. You just killed your own child with your stupidity. You go door to door teaching the same nonsense that killed your son. You piece of shit.

I guess

Rant over.

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Similarities Between JW's & Mormons

by Sea Breeze in

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friends

over the years, i have found it helpful to see the similarites between jw's and mormons to help me understand what happened to me and my family as jw's.

robert bryan discusses this in one of the best presentations i have heard on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wok7e3utzy8&ab_channel=bibleready .

Riley

Both groups try and remove the hinge point of the bible from the anointing work of Jesus dying on the cross and the New Testament to later texts and works.

Essentially both groups have turned Christianity into Star Wars. Growing up ( depending how old you are ) you basically think there are is only three movies. The death star blows up and it is over.

No, No, No.............the story keeps growing and changing. Too much money to be made.

Also both religions are an exclusive club in which salvation depends on becoming a member. Kind of like shopping at Costco.

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What hymns will you never hear sung in Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

for sure you will never hear the national anthem of heaven below.

do you know others?.

https://youtu.be/gkovqfcdegu.

Riley

Without starting another thread.

Worst Kingdom song ever " Bethel, this is the house of god ".

Literally glorifying a building, Pure idol worship.

Makes my skin crawl.

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WT Ruining Members' Futures

by HiddlesWife in

what i mean by the title of this thread is what has happened to a relative of mine, one who is really upset about this factor:.

this relative is a distant cousin on my mother's side of the family.

she studied as a child and got baptized at 14 1/2 years old.

Riley

I know an Elder who has two children Pioneering and teaching at an English school in India. They are both in their mid-30s and childless and don't have a pot to piss in. This elder has built himself a fairly comfortable middle class life.

I know having your kids pioneering makes you look good as an Elder but there has to has to be a point where you would want better for your children. You would think ? Encouraging your children to throw their lives away to make you look good for your club.

Despicable...................just horrible.

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Did it ever become unbearable to attend another Kingdom Hall meeting?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

it's becoming unbearable for me to attend another meeting.

i dread coming to the weekly sunday public talk and watchtower study.

the talks are ''repeats'' of a ''repeat.

Riley

The more I understood about the bible, the theological holes just became unbearable. The entire religion is eschatology base nonsense which basically voids the entire new testament for anyone but the magical eight.

The worst part for me was the half wits that always needed to hear themselves talk. Pointless comment after pointless comment. Just the pure narcissism of it was the worst part for me.

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New Zealand couple wants baby to die.

by Riley in

https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-zealand-government-tries-seize-guardianship-baby-parents-demand-unvaccinated-blood-surgery.

i swear to allah how the hell do ex-dubs not see through these anti vax grifters and con men.

the whole pandemic to me has been nothing but a huge pstd trip back to my childhood.

Riley

https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-zealand-government-tries-seize-guardianship-baby-parents-demand-unvaccinated-blood-surgery

I swear to Allah how the hell do ex-dubs not see through these anti vax grifters and con men. The whole pandemic to me has been nothing but a huge PSTD trip back to my childhood.

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Who raised Jesus from the dead?

by Blotty in

i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

Riley

Google some articles on the two powers in heaven / trinity in the Old Testament. Once you understand that first century jews already had the idea that this monolistic god in the Old Testament was really of a rock band than a singular person , it’s starts to make sense. kind of

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Two Translators Who Restored God’s Name to the NT

by Wonderment in

one of the first prayers that many people learn is the lord’s prayer, which jesus taught his followers.

this prayer is found in what is commonly called the new testament.

the prayer begins: “our father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified [or hallowed].” (matthew 6:9) yet, god’s name, rendered in english as “jehovah” or sometimes “yahweh,” is rarely found in english translations of the new testament.

Riley

The whole point of the bible is we enter in to this " New Covenant " where we can call on the name of Jesus.

In the old testament they would see the Tetragrammaton and say " the Hashem " which literally meant the name.