Its hard to believe that the WTBTS' thinking is so short sighted. By sending the letters at the same time ,they laid out the first evidence that their action is related to the pedophile issue. They denied this relationship but surely they knew they would be accused of "attacking".Their first task is to prove that they are not attacking because of the pedophile issue. They appear to be losing that arguement because, it appears, they have underestimated the "unity" of the opposition who continue to focus the public and the press on that "sinister" motive. The longer it takes for the judicial action, the more difficult for them to prove that their "move" to disfellowship was not related to the pedophile issue. As astute posters have suggested, keeping the focus on the "public risk (door to door)" will draw public opinion and political clout into the arena. My guess is that the WTBTS will avoid all comment and they will try to expedite disfellowshipping. Let me repeat, "The longer it takes for the judicial action, the more difficult for them....". Therefore.........
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Silent Lambs and The Wisdom of The WTBTS
by Siddhashunyata inquestion.......from the stand point of the wtbts would it have been wiser to spread out their judicial notifications say over a couple of months or more?
ie.. bill bowen in january, barbara anderson in march etc.
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Silent Lambs and The Wisdom of The WTBTS
by Siddhashunyata inquestion.......from the stand point of the wtbts would it have been wiser to spread out their judicial notifications say over a couple of months or more?
ie.. bill bowen in january, barbara anderson in march etc.
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Question.......From the stand point of the WTBTS would it have been wiser to spread out their judicial notifications say over a couple of months or more? ie.. Bill Bowen in January, Barbara Anderson in March etc.
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JW friends- Who am I talking to and what do I say?
by detective indungbeetle said this in another thread and i thought it could prove helpful to those that are still in contact with jw friends and relatives.. jw's defense of the watchtower is merely a thinly disguised effort to defend themselves personally.
recognizing this defense mechanism for what it is will be a first important step to breaking down these psychologically harmful barriers.. i was thinking that perhaps we could talk about how we speak to jw friends and, even more important, how they speak to us.
i found dungbeetle's very insightful.
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Detective.....Yes I have seen the two personalities emerge within one conversation. I usually try to retrace what was said so as to find out what triggers the changes. It usually resolves to the cause being Conditioning through Abstract Symbols ie: "Gods Organization", "Worldly", "Unbeliever", "Apostate", "Annointed" , "Servant", "Disfellowshipped", "the Meeting", "the Truth" etc,etc. This has been discussed at length on this board and on other sites by some very knowledgeable people. It is always astonishing to see it and very frustrating to try to break through and "reach" the other person.
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WT PR- We Offer Release Of Information
by silentlambs inwatchtower has stated they wish to reveal no information about the upcoming judicial hearing being conducted against those who are on the dateline program.
they say they are confined to ecclesial privilege and are unable to offer to the public any information other than it is not related to silentlambs but has to do with some other infraction that breaks gods law.
with the statement below we ask watchtower to release to everyone any charges or information about breaking gods law they have against carl and barbara pandelo, barbara anderson, and william h. bowen.
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Heroic! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
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Organized Religion
by blindfool ini've been thinking about this for a few days now and decided i'd go ahead and post this topic.
i know this may offend some loyal posters out there, but i'd like to throw this out for discussion.. is there something inherently wrong with a religion just because it is organized?.
does the ex-jw community understand that all churches don't feel that their members must tow the party line?
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The truth is that there is only ONE Self. IT becomes operative when the person gets out of the way, so to speak. We are really all ONE. That's why there is no fear and that's why you spontaneously "love your neighbor as yourself". The experience of this means the death of the person (self, ego ). It is a transformation and there are no barriers because the truth is that all opposers are blind to their true nature. There is only compassion. We are in union by our very nature(ONE Self). The WTBTS teaches that we become One by understanding or believing the same thing. That type of union is a union of egos by consent. It cannot hold up because the individuaal egos are afraid and are seeking to perpetuate themselves. The individual egos( selves) must cease to exist then the truth of union in the ONE Self becomes apparent and there is no fear of the other persons. In this state you are not imitating anything. You are authentically animated by a new perception. This is spirituality and it differs greatly from religiosity, piety, and community.
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Organized Religion
by blindfool ini've been thinking about this for a few days now and decided i'd go ahead and post this topic.
i know this may offend some loyal posters out there, but i'd like to throw this out for discussion.. is there something inherently wrong with a religion just because it is organized?.
does the ex-jw community understand that all churches don't feel that their members must tow the party line?
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Organized religion fullfills a need. We are frightened and we seek pleasure. Organized religion helps. Spirituallity, on the other hand, means destruction and transformation of the "self". This is not the objective of organized religion because once that happens you no longer "need" organized religion and ,in fact, you may oppose it. Why would you oppose it? Because it keeps people tethered for its own sake. Some things cannot be organized. Have you heard the one where Jesus and Satan are walking along a lonley road and Jesus bends down and picks up something shiny. Satan asks "What do you have there?" Jesus says "Truth". Satan says "Give it to me, I'll organize it for you".
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Pick One
by Siddhashunyata inpick one!
only one!...the main business of the wtbts is: (1)religion (2)publishing (2) real estate.
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Correct! There has been an evolution of the WTBTS. It also happens to Educational institutions like N.Y.U. etc. The physical interests become so large that no decision can be made without considering the effect on real estate. The phenomena underscores the fact that some things cannot be institutionalized. Can anyone point to an example where Christ was forced to compromise his "means" in order to achieve his "ends". As institutions grow they inevitably compromise their stated principles. Bill Bowen was sent a letter by a lawyer telling him he can't have a lawyer at his hearing.
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Fighters Against Children
by silentlambs ini came across this old post from h2o and thought you might find it interesting.
how far we have come to be at the point we are.
silentlambs.
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It was your spirit that inspired so many. If Christ returned tomorrow, the WTBTS would not recognize him.
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Yes your observations are so true and I think many who have broken away from Jehovah's Witnesses were strengthened by memories of loving concern and the good example of those we were later taught to view under such "abstract " symbols as : Worldlings ; Unbelievers ; Materialistic; False Worshippers etc. Your post shows real insight and appreciation of how J.W. children are handicapped by a belief system that they did not choose.
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Pick One
by Siddhashunyata inpick one!
only one!...the main business of the wtbts is: (1)religion (2)publishing (2) real estate.
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Although it is interesting that both publishing and real estate have the #2, I meant real estate to be #3. Clear your minds and think about it. If you were running the WTBTS would you have the mind set of a minister, a publisher , or a real estate magnate?