Posts by siegswife

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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

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...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

siegswife

When God created everything, He conceived Truth and lies, Light and darkness, Love and hate, Obedience and disobedience. He rejected the negative as not being something that is in Him. He is the only One that can define Himself and what He conceives. By conceiving those things the door was created for them to be born. In His Wisdom, He warned His creation that bringing those sorts of things to birth would be fruitless. Resulting in the opposite of Life, which is in Him and can only come from Him.

When He gave His Creation the Law of "do not eat or you will die", He was giving him the opportunity to obey or disobey. Adam decided to disobey. God gave authority to the lie and disobedience to have life only for a moment so the fruitlessness of it to be revealed. Thus, God's Truthfulness would also be vindicated. God does not lie and no lie has foundation. It cannot prove to be Life, only death.

The Seed of Life is Christ. The life of a seed is proving to be the fruit. The seed has to give up its own life in order to prove to be the fruit. In that sort of death, death is brought to nothing by the resulting life. But not all seeds prove to be the fruit, some are fruitless and the life that they contained comes to nothing. So it is with the lie. Disobedience is bad because it proves to be nothing.
God didn't Create simply to have it come to nothing. But in His Wisdom He has used the disobedience of His creation to teach it a valuable lesson.

He took upon Himself the blame for our error, because He is the only One that has NO blame in the matter. He gave us freewill, and men have used it for the path of fruitless pursuits. He took the blame for the birth of these things, for creating the door for their birth by giving us the law which gave sin and disobedience an opportunity to abound, and He has given us a door for for reconciliation to Him in the process. I don't see where God has done anything other than that which is for our benefit and knowledge and freedom.
If He had never said, 'No you must not eat' we never would have had freewill to choose. We would never had known 'Yes'.

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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

jw
friends

...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

siegswife

I'm not really searching anymore. I realized along time ago when I was searching that there is some truth in lies. I've seen the similarities between pagan beliefs and Bible truths. Since I'm someone who believes in the existance of a Deceiver, I don't doubt that he could use his knowledge to create stumbling blocks for people who have doubts. I don't have doubts about God's existance or the existance of Christ, so I really have no need to read that book. Thanks for what (I think) is concern on your part. And I DO think. Just because I also BELIEVE doesn't negate that.

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Dangerous Stuff!

by chappy in

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i'm including a partial quote of an article posted by tallyman on kents website.

now most of you who know me are aware that i don't have a great deal of regard for the watchtower corporation.

but this kind of extremism scares me.. "i am in need of references to watchtower publications that contain images of united states government buildings, especially the white house- depicted as being violently destroyed by the watchtower society.. i have much of the wt literature pre-1992, and a bit of the post-1992 stuff, but it is such a tremendous task to sift through all this literature to find these watchtower-generated images of destruction of u. s. government property and buildings, as well as the text or captions accompanying such.. please send me the name of the watchtower publication and page number and i will scan it and am in the process of making a webpage which will contain all the seditious material i can compile on the watchtower.

siegswife

(((I certainly realized I was Guilty As Hell before I exited this Evil Kult. THEY are Extremely Dangerous. If you haven't learned that by now chappy, you are extremely Naive.)))

What were you guilty of?

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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

jw
friends

...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

siegswife

If that's what you want to believe, have at it. I'm inclined to believe the Bible and that Jesus did feel distress and grief over what happened to Him. You are forgetting that while the Law was in effect, He was considered to be lawless by God. God doesn't lie, and He said that any man hung on a stake was accursed. The Law wasn't made ineffective until Christ was resurrected. He truly loved the Law of God, because He truly loved God. But it's of no consequence to me if you don't believe it.

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How do you know when it's time to let go?

by Esmeralda in

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a warning up front: this is a long post.. i'm posting this as a sincere question to those who have (more or less) moved on from the jw chapter of their lives and gone on to try to be, (dare i use the word,) 'normal'?.

everyone has had their 'awakenings' in the past six days, since all of those precious lives were snuffed out in senseless acts of violence.

priorities being refined.

siegswife

I've been through the range of emotions regarding JW's. At first I felt betrayed and upset. I even stopped reading the Bible for awhile because it was the Bible that first caused me to realize that some of their teachings were seriously flawed. I didn't want to HATE them, so I figured that I should just avoid it altogether. I never stopped praying, though and gradually I started reading again.

The truth is that before I became involved with the Witnesses I lived an immoral life, and by my association with them and studying the Bible with them, I was compelled to clean up my life. Even though it ended up that I can't accept what they have created as far as the organization goes, they did help me. I can't hate them. I hope that they will see where they have erred and turn around. I doubt that this will happen because it would involve ALOT of admissions of errors that would cause most of their members doubt and distress. I don't intend to let go of them completely. I hope that those among them that are sincere are heard by Yahweh and will be saved.

If anything, you need to let go of your bitterness so that you can be healed.

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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

jw
friends

...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

siegswife

Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this, but I have no doubt that Jesus does exist, as He is a very real part of my life. I understand that many people don't believe that He is real though. It's interesting that you should mention such a book though, because my youngest son just told me the other day that he recently read a book that came to the opposite conclusion. I don't know the name of it, but apparently a man was out to prove that Jesus didn't exist and was convinced that he did by the overwhelming evidence that HE found. Isn't if funny how people can come to opposite conclusions and both contend that they are absolutely right?

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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

jw
friends

...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

siegswife

I have to disagree with your opinion that Jesus didn't have affection for the Law. He loved the Law of God. The Law brought blessings when obeyed and curses when it wasn't. The Law was righteous, people were not. Let me first share this scripture if you will. I'll be using the NWT but I am not one of JW's at this time.
Hebrews 1:9 You loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your partners.

Galatians 3:13 Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written, "Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake."

Colossians 2:13,14 Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, God made you alive together with Him. He kindly forgave us our trespasses, and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.

Hebrews 12:2 as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before Him he endured despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of God.

I think that His distress was knowing that for that short time, He was considered lawless by God's own Law.

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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

jw
friends

...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

siegswife

The Bible says that. In the Mosaic Law, anyone hanged upon a torture stake (or cross?) is accursed. It was by His become accursed instead of us that frees us from our sins. Galatians 3:13 Because Jesus is not REALLY accursed and actually fulfilled the Law, is the reason that the Law became invalid. Because of His righteousness, the Law was made to be ineffective. He carried our sins in His death, and by His resurrection He opened the way for salvation. Colossians 2:13,14 Still, since the Law was still in effect BEFORE he died, he was considered lawless according to God's Law.

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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

jw
friends

...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

siegswife

The main cause of Christ's suffering was that he became 'accursed' by the manner of his death according to the Mosaic law. THAT was very hard for him to deal with. Of course, it was physically trying also. Still, it grieved him deeply knowing that he was put in that spiritual state by dying that sort of death.

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Did Bethel Really let 900 rescue workers...

by Esmeralda in

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...stay in their facilities?.

my sister just called me, with the idea of 'comforting' me wt style (bad idea *lol*) i shut her down by saying "i respect that these are your religious views, but they are not mine.

" that managed to shut her up finally.. before that, though she volunteered this info, i was wondering if anyone can confirm it?.

siegswife

The reason that JW's are so destructive is because they still hold the teaching the Abaddon, the destroyer, is Jesus Christ. This is a teaching from the 1950's and they haven't changed it to this day. The Bible teaches that Jesus was the Word of God in His prior existance. It even asks the question "to which of the angels has He ever said 'You are my son?'" Not to mention the fact that Abaddon is an angel that 'fell' from heaven. I don't hate JW's, I just believe they are misguided.