Posts by siegswife

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"Dead conscious of nothing at all" .....

by anti-absolutism in

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when speaking to a jw the other day, i didn't really have a good explanation of ecclesiastes 9:5, where it says that the dead are conscious of nothing at all.. what is everybody's take on it?

siegswife

Would the JW agree that "the remembrance of them has been forgotten," or would he assert that they are still in Jehovah's memory, awaiting future resurrection? Would he agree that they "have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun", or will they eventually be resurrected to earthly life? It is clear that the writer of Ecclesiastes is writing from a purely human, non-spiritual viewpoint. He is discussing appearances, not actuality. Otherwise, if we take these verses at their face value, there is no hope for any who have died. And it is not reasonable to assert that the writer was conveying a spiritual truth in the first part of verse 5, but writing from a purely human viewpoint in the remainder of verse 5 and in verse 6.

Neonmadman, That's almost exactly what I was thinking. The JW's take one verse out of several that are used to express a thought and turn it into a doctrine. They disregard the context because if all of the verses are taken as literally as that one, their whole belief system regarding the resurrection would be shattered.

What they do here is the same thing that they do to come up with just about all of their "truthful" doctrines. Take a thought written in the Bible and assign literal significance to one part of the whole, and either totally disregard or say the rest of the thought as "symbolic". In that way they end up being way off base regarding what the writer is trying to convey in total.

Is there any group more bassackward and unenlightened than the FDS class?

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

siegswife

Joseph,

YHWH means "the Existing One". That's because He is.

There is no other name for the Father and no other name for the true God for that matter in scripture. There are many titles and descriptions but no other names for Him.

Jesus is identified as the "Eternal Father" at Isaiah 9:6. Is he?

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UN attack on Religion, JW Harlot Prophecy

by ah hahaha in

can someone give their thoughts on the un attacking religion and the jw teaching, revelation harlot.

i have a newspaper article with the headline "un quietly wages war on religion" i talked with some reps from the un in my country and they were talking about religion and how it had to go etc.

it is a un mandate apparently, just has to be implemented.

siegswife

Let me break it down for you. In 1991 the WTS used 28 Catholic NGO/UN associates as examples of Babylon the Great riding the wild beast. Since the only way for religions to be affiliated with the UN is as associated NGO's (Non governmental organizations) that makes sense, right?

Well, low and behold, in 1992 the WTS became a NGO/UN associate themselves! More specifically, the became an NGO associated with the UN's Department of Public Information (DPI). In order to do this they had to avow that they are in agreement with the UN charter, and also agreed to use their publications to get information from the UN to the public. Act as Public Relations reps for the UN. They did.

In 2001, they were caught and dissassociated from the UN. At first they said one thing, but then claimed that they had to do that in order to get access to the UN library. That's totally not true. Anyone can gain access to the UN library if they provide a reason for the need. Being an NGO/DPI associate is considered enough of a reason by the UN so they don't have do that extra leg work and they get an unrestricted library pass.

So in a nutshell, the WTS says that Babylon the Great rides the wildbeast by being associated NGO's. That makes the WTS part of BTG by their own standards. Can you say lying hypocrites?

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

siegswife

To those who believe Jesus is/was Michael.

From what I've come to understand is that the Word of God, His Logos, is when He said "I AM". That is the meaning of His Name. "I AM". Jesus is the Word "I AM".

I had trouble with the uncreated part of the trinity because "a word" by definition, is something created. What I've come to realize is that the Word of God is uncreated because it is the Truth of God saying "I AM". God IS, so the Word that expresses that Truth IS as well. The meaning is eternal, therefore the Word that expresses it is eternal.

That's why it's said that the Word is "the perfect representation of God" and the "perfect image of the invisible God". It's also why the Word is the firstborn of creation. Until God spoke, there was nothing or no one else. The Word "I AM", Jesus before his life as a human is the source of all things created.

Michaels name means "Who is like God?". A question. Jesus' name means "The Salvation of God". From other texts in the Bible we're told that only by calling on God's Name can we be saved. Michael is created. The Word, on the other hand, is the expression of the eternal Truth of the "Being" of God. Jesus is the Word of God. His Name.

That's why it isn't contradictory to say that the name of Jesus is the name we need to call on. He IS the Word of God.

Lea

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How Do You Feel About President Bush?

by minimus in

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i like him, but he makes me a little nervous.

siegswife

And he will not regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women; nor regard any god: for he will magnify himself above all.
And in his place will he honour the god of fortresses; and a god whom his fathers knew not will he honour with gold and silver, and with precious stones and pleasant things.
And he will practise in the strongholds of fortresses with a strange god: whoso acknowledgeth him will he increase with glory; and he shall cause them to rule over the many, and shall divide the land [to them] for a reward.

*ducks out of the room*

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The Third Alternative

by Siddhashunyata in

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alternative 1 ---believe.

alternative 2---don't believe.

alternative 3 ---go beyond believe and don't believe .

siegswife

Introspection, It says at the beginning that he took some liberties. His opinion is that the tao is open to that sort of thing. This is the only translation I have, courtesy of a friend who's an 8th grade English teacher. He got some tiny little tao's to use in his class and gave an extra one to me.

It's a pretty cool book.

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The Third Alternative

by Siddhashunyata in

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alternative 1 ---believe.

alternative 2---don't believe.

alternative 3 ---go beyond believe and don't believe .

siegswife

More:

Colors blind the eye. Sounds deafen the ear. Flavors numb the taste. Thoughts weaken the mind. Desires wither the heart.

The Master observes the world but trusts his inner vision. He allows things to come and go. His heart is open as the sky.

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The Third Alternative

by Siddhashunyata in

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alternative 1 ---believe.

alternative 2---don't believe.

alternative 3 ---go beyond believe and don't believe .

siegswife

From the Tao Te Ching :

When people see things as beautiful, other things become ugly. When people see some things as good, other things become bad.

Being and non-being create each other.

Difficult and easy support each other.

Long and short define each other.

High and low depend on each other.

Before and after follow each other.

Therefore the Master acts without doing anything and teaches without saying anything. Things arise and she lets them come; things disappear and she lets them go. She has but doesn't possess, acts but doesn't expect. When her work is done, she forgets it. That is why it lasts forever.

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What IS Gods name anyway?

by NikL in

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i am sure this topic has been brought up many times here but i don't always have the oppertunity to read all the posts so i am going to raise it again.. i went to the meeting the other day with my wife and this came up in the talk.

the speaker saying how improtant it was to have the right bible to get the most out of bible reading.

the right bible being the nwt of course because it uses the divine name which we all know is jehovah...or yahweh.

siegswife

LOL...I know that's not true Farkel. That's not what I was told anyway...if you really want to know....nah, don't want to burst your eardrums.

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What IS Gods name anyway?

by NikL in

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friends

i am sure this topic has been brought up many times here but i don't always have the oppertunity to read all the posts so i am going to raise it again.. i went to the meeting the other day with my wife and this came up in the talk.

the speaker saying how improtant it was to have the right bible to get the most out of bible reading.

the right bible being the nwt of course because it uses the divine name which we all know is jehovah...or yahweh.

siegswife

LOL...I'm half deaf anyway so what the hell.

I'm not saying that I think God would get all snippy if people don't say His Name right. It's more like what I said about me and sieg. The people that know us wouldn't screw up our names, and the people that call us and do are probably people we don't want to talk to anyway (like telemarketers).

Like Jesus said that some people would be saying they did all sorts of things in his name and he would tell them he never knew them. Those people have an agenda that he doesn't want to be a part of.

How can JW's claim to be honoring God's Name when they don't even know it?