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  Distrust and paranoia among faders

  by cedars in

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  2. friends

  hi guys.

  i'm interested in knowing whether any other faders out there ever find themselves feeling a little paranoid about establishing contact with other faders or former jws, just in case the unthinkable happens and things turn sour.. personally, i'm now fairly comfortable with the idea that i will be disfellowshipped or disassociated within the next year or so.

  i see it as inevitable, and an essential transition in order to do what i want to do with my life.

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  problemaddict

  I feel like this thread applies to me. Still fairly new, attempting the fade, but at the stage where alot of people don't even know I have stopped attending, and the elders are having "friendly" conversations about it.

  I cannot be open, and quite frankly would do alot of harm. But then again, when I see JW's witnessing at a table of airport or wherever, I feel like putting up a sign and easel pointing to them that says "They discourage college.......they enforce beliefe through shunning you......if you are not shunned those people are punished......they refuse blood for even their infants......they have predicted the end of the world 7 times."

  So the apostate is strong with this one. I feel like I am living two lives. But I am pretty good at it. Maybe I will go back and just climb the ladder as an informant!

  Yeah, hard to trust anyone........but I would like to. I would never betray anyone here. Period.
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  Whacky comments! What the craziest comment you've ever heard?

  by toweragent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last week a sister in my new hall made the following comment,.

  "a brother once told me that it is better to be wrong with the organization, than to be right and be on your own without the organization.".

  wow.

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  Hey Apog,

  I actually figured the more in line with ACTUAL teaching, the more it qualified as wacky! :)
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  Whacky comments! What the craziest comment you've ever heard?

  by toweragent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last week a sister in my new hall made the following comment,.

  "a brother once told me that it is better to be wrong with the organization, than to be right and be on your own without the organization.".

  wow.

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  problemaddict

  I have a great one that I wanted to get in here sooner. it is related to others here because it is a neccesary wall against the cognative dissonance.

  My own brother told me this. he is an elder and generally a very intelligent person. He has just handed his brain over to 8 dudes in New York.

  "They (the GB), can be forgiven for being wrong and humbly adjusting their viewpoint, but you cannot be forgiven for going against their direction as an extention of Jehovah's heavenly organization.............so don't worry about wether you should or should not take blood. Jsut remain obedient and your salvation is assured."

  LOL.
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  THE REASON THE GB FEAR OPEN DISCUSSIONS OF DOCTRINE.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have you ever wondered why the gb do not have open, honest discussions with other religious adherents?

  have you ever pondered over the reasons that rank & file dubs are told not to debate their beliefs with a householder?

  certainly if someone's life depended upon your 5 minute presentation at their door, you would be eager to discuss your beliefs.

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  I actually don't think the JW here does a terrible job, nor does he embarrass himself. He does however hide his identity, which is kind of sad. You cannot defend your faith without fear of reprisal from your faith?

  Yikes.
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  Confrontation of the city bus with witness

  by perfect1 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i want to share with you an experience i had last night.

  i was on my way to a vday date, hopped on the bus to get me there, and in front of me is a man folding tracts.

  they say something about an end to suffering with a delusional paradise illustration.. so, he hands one to the woman in the row next to him, and tries to hand one back to me.

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  Hey there,

  Its amazing the emotion that comes with this eh? I always remind myself to be very careful. I can come off as the unreasonable one without ACTUALLY BEING the unreasonable one, because I am the ne who has been abused or misled. Know what I mean?

  The man could have been asked a couple questions I suppose. What website is full of lies? And while it is technically true JW's do not ban college, they certainly discourage it. But sayign they ban it isn't very accurate.

  It is hard to think of it like this, but we can never be to over the top or throw our perceptions into our debates. We have to be 100% legit, ebcause otherwise the controled mind latches on to the ONE inconsistancy and excuses all the rest of the nonsense. It is really amazing. The heart wants what the heart wants.
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  JWN is my New Congregation...LOL!

  by SophieG in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is jwn my new congregation?.

  i realizing that some things never change.

  i am behaving the same way i did at the kh as i am now in this forum.

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  I am upset I wasn't mentioned. I am aparently Brother Hurt Feelings....

  No but really, lets get all of our cards sent here. There is probably a way to do this.
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  Pro-JW website SLAMS apostates

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the site, click on the pictures to read lengthy diatribes against apostates lol.. apostasy "seeing oneself as a victim denied" .

  as a result of seeing oneself as a victim denied, there can occur a powerful drive toward disaffection and apostasy.

  as is almost inevitably the case, there is a great need on the part of a leave-taker to validate their oppositional stance, and the victim-victimizer scenario greatly assists a person in justifying their course of action.

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  Pro Russel site. Do they realize they may be viewed as apostate themselves? Do they realize Russel is no longer a member of the faithful and discreet slave?

  I don't think they have thought this out.
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  Weird rumor I heard - JWs in Sweden

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i heard this from a "friend of a friend of a friend...." at least 3 or 4 intermediate steps before i heard it.. so it is likely distorted, but i'll throw it out there in case someone in or near sweden can clarify it.. .

  i heard that the wts branch in sweden instructed all jws there to "get rid of" all (empahasized all) of their printed literature, and rely exclusively on the content of jw.org for their literature.. .

  that's the entire extent of it - i also got a few speculations about "what it might mean" (the society is expecting persecution!

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  ^^^^^^^Nooooooooo.............where will we find biblical truths that explain the fornication aspect of invitro fertilization!!!!! (rips garment and mourns in sackcloth and ashes)
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  I'm writing a DA letter...need advise

  by nolongerconfused in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello, so i have decided to da myself and will write a da letter to the body of elders.... do you have any ideas of what i can include in this letter or samples?...

  i really want to make a huge impact with this letter.. i appreciate your help everyone....

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  Unless you absolutely NEED to do this for the sake of your own sanity, please do not do it. It is acknowledging their rules and some measure of authority that they just do not have.

  It lessens your influence on those still in that you may care about. There is NO huge impact. The elders read the letter, put up the brick walls in their mind, and keep on rolling. You think they have never heard this stuff before?

  Don't do it. You have gotten your family out and that is huge! Stay loyal to your wife, and life a great life. She will come around. Pick your spots, stay active here and "up to date", and the opportunity will arise for meaningful conversation.
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  Isaiah 2:2,3 Thoughts?

  by problemaddict in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought i would bring this to the horde.

  there is wisdom in the multitude of counselors after all.

  this scripture has been given to me as "irrefutable", in a discussion i am rather enjoyign with someone fairly high up, that has their doubts.

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  I thought I would bring this to the horde. There is wisdom in the multitude of counselors after all.

  This scripture has been given to me as "irrefutable", in a discussion I am rather enjoyign with someone fairly high up, that has their doubts. I know how I would respond, but I wanted to see if there was anything more in depth that had been done here, or any things I may not have thought of.

  Here is the scripture in context.

  1 The thing that Isaiah the son of A′moz visioned concerning Judah and Jerusalem: 2 And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, ? YOU ? people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.

  Thoughts? This is worth the time. It is a good conversation. I hope to share later.