Tyin is that directed at yours truely?
problemaddict
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AAWA has caused divisions and has lost the opportunity to be effective
by NoRegrets inhere's the thing,.
the whole aawa idea had noble ideas behind it, but the ship has sailed and the movement needs to go back to the drawing board.
period.
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problemaddict
Just one more thing to add. Suggesting that "arrogance" is the only way to believe you may know something that 8 men in Brooklyn don't......might not be the way to go. After all, your arrogance has brought you here has it not? :)
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AAWA has caused divisions and has lost the opportunity to be effective
by NoRegrets inhere's the thing,.
the whole aawa idea had noble ideas behind it, but the ship has sailed and the movement needs to go back to the drawing board.
period.
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problemaddict
Good Lord........is this really a thing?
How in the world do you people have the audacity to malign a group of your peers who are trying (and doing) things for the sake fo the ex-jw community as a whole? Because yu don't like the name? Get over it. Because you have a specific suggestion? Make it and move on. Because you think it could be better? So make it better.
How is a fringe group trying to support a growing community, where many people deal with fear and prejudice from those they love the most going to survive if their own peers don't get off the freaking keyboard and do something for the community they are a part of? This is why the "ex" community is ineffective other than people already with doubts stumbling on some information that hard work was put into. Sure they may not get an audience with the GB, and if they did, nothign would change. But that does NOT mean that reaching out is a bad thing, simply because of how it could be viewed by those that visit. It is a reasonable position to take after all, and aren't we the ones saying we are reasonable?
Who left the founding group and why did they do so?
Guys this is pretty silly. Unless you have something specific to contribute, why tear down the hard work and effort of others. Say your peace, work together, and know when any movement begins (even a small one where some must remain annonymous), it will have a bumpy road at first.
What is wrong with you people. Honestly.
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problemaddict
The nice thing about a board such as this vs your local kingdom hall, is that for the most part everyone coexists even though the groups run the full range of belief, fith, non-belief, and more.
Your approach is not dogmatic, but rather "personal". So in that case you get people who respect your viewpoint, because they assume theirs will be respected as well. Thos enice men that you are sure mean well, would have these people (and possibly you), branded an apostate. By my estimation apostacy is something for which Jesus shed blood no longer applies. How sad to throw around such a terrible word.
My journey was interesting. Alot of time invested. I saw being a JW as being part of a religion, but it was an outlet for my spiritual need and desire to help others. I did however feel that the branch took a hard right maybe 3-4 years ago and realy ramped up the role of the GB. Lo and behond now they are the sole members of the FDS who you MUST be with in order to make it. I just don't buy it. Biblically, logcally, according to conscience, and according to our history. Then I discovered we were wrong on blood. After that I knew I had to remove my family and my young baby from the organization that makes you chose between your life and your family/friends, and I saw disfellowshipping in the light of the day for the first time. A way to enforce belief.
I hope you continue to learn, and I find it facinating that elders come here. Good for them. I was a servant for many years, and only visited here after I was distraught because of what I had learned.
Welcome, and we look forward to you adding your own opinions to the mix.
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An apostate goes public
by Borges ini mentioned in a thread some weeks ago ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/244078/1/first-public-talk-as-an-apostate ), that i was invited to give a talk at a symposium about cults.
this will take place at the first weekend in may.. i'm going to talk about the difficulties you have to face when leaving the jw.
yesterday i've got an another invitation to speak to a senior year class in a middle school.
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problemaddict
^^^^exactly my thoughts.
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Do you really think Jesus is in this room? No----I KNOW Jesus is in this room"
by Terry incormac mccarthy wrote no country for old men, the road, the border trilogy (all the pretty horses...etc.).
and he wrote this play: sunset ltd.. .
it is a 2 man play.. the 2 men are samuel l. jackson and tommy lee jones.
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problemaddict
A great and very underated movie.
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weres the money??
by Crazyguy inevery one or most here seem to think the wt is in it for the money, if so any one have any ideas about were the moneys going and what its paying for??
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problemaddict
Not everyone. But money is always a motivating factor in people. As is power, and how other people view you.
The money is in several accounts (including one large Citibank account that is one of citibanks finest according to my asset manager friend with the bank), and is used for all kinds of stuff.
I don't personally think that the GB is living high on the hog so to speak. But brothers such as JR Brown and some of the more prominent DO's and CO's do get left property and given money many times from those they meet in the circuit. Sometimes they do very well, most do not.
Thy aren't building mansions or driving Mercedes. They of course never have to do a real days work in their lives, and are damn near treated as royalty. The society is always afraid they won't have anough money, so they hoard it. Why? I have no idea.
But no I don't think "they" are in it for the money. I think they are basically true believers, that don't mind being taken care of along the way.
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IT IS NOT A CULT!!
by Butterflyleia85 init is not a cult!!!
if you weren't mesmerized by the internet since ya know it never lies!
read the bible how do they go against it.
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problemaddict
I personally feel the term cult just doesn't do any good. It comes off as offensive, and even though there are cult like characteristics, I think high control group would be more fitting. Of course the more I am away......
I just think the discourse should be brought up a tad by the civilized ones in the room. Us. Meaning why not reach out to others in type of photo negative field ministry via the internet. I want to sit with that thought for a while. What would the go to presentation be?
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July 15 WT- When a Parable is a Prophecy Then a Parable All At Once
by Comatose innotice the explanation from the box on page 24. the parable they say is a prophecy is here confirmed to just be a parable regarding the evil slave.
how can a prophetic parable to be taken literally revert to a parable on an inconvenient part?
it's the same parable!!!!.
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problemaddict
I don't know if its parable vs prophecy here. They are saying that the faithful slave COULD BE the evil slave based on that statement"if ever". In other words, there are not two slaves, one evil and one faithful. There is one slave but you don't have to worry about them because they are nourishing you and giving you meat in due season and all that jazz.
This if I am not mistaken is still a departure from the evil slave being a separate group of apostate organizers or whatever they taught before.
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I just noticed a major omission in the list of DF'ing offenses
by JeffT ini noticed this on slimboy's list of things that can get you df'd, and i checked it against the "flock" book.. .
there is no mention of blood transfusions!
i know they are downplaying this, but have they stopped df'ing people for it altogether?
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problemaddict
You can't make this stuff up.
I have recently been having a conversation with a brother about the blood thing. He is a family friend and an elder (former CO). He told me there was a case where someone took blood, and they were not disfellowshipped. His point was to try to say it isn't "enforced". I asked him if the person was repentant or not. of course he was "weak" at the time he made his decision and so he was "delt with mercifully" (seriously this sounds like game of thrones).
I asked what would have happened if he didn't feel he did anything wrong acording to scripture and his conscience.
(crickets)