So here is a thought. What if your minor child was disfellowshipped, but also decided he might have a made a mistake and did not want to be a part of the religion anymore. Are the parents going to semi-shun their child and just count down the days until they are 18 to get them out?
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WT August 15, 2013 QFR - Sitting next to a disfellowshipped child at meetings
by Designer Stubble inpage 8 of the latest wt (insider version) has a whole page dedicated to the question whether it is appropriate to sit next to a disfellowshipped child at meetings.. not sure how to paste this in, but check jw.org.
perhaps someone can do this for me.. horrible, no words really on how pharisee like their cult grip and control has become!.
first of all, without any shame they are talking about disfellowshipped minors.
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WT August 15, 2013 QFR - Sitting next to a disfellowshipped child at meetings
by Designer Stubble inpage 8 of the latest wt (insider version) has a whole page dedicated to the question whether it is appropriate to sit next to a disfellowshipped child at meetings.. not sure how to paste this in, but check jw.org.
perhaps someone can do this for me.. horrible, no words really on how pharisee like their cult grip and control has become!.
first of all, without any shame they are talking about disfellowshipped minors.
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problemaddict
Just a copy and paste....but here it is.
? There is no reason to be unduly concerned
about the seating location of a
disfellowshipped person in the Kingdom
Hall. This magazine has made every effort
to encourage Christian parents to
provide spiritual help to their disfellowshipped
child who is still living at home
if it seems fitting to do so. As indicated
on pages 19 and 20 of the November 15,
1988, issue of The Watchtower, parents
may even study the Bible with a disfellowshipped
minor who continues to live
with them. It is hoped that the child will
thus receive the encouragement necessary
to correct his course.
When it comes to Kingdom Hall seating
arrangements, it would seem reasonable
that a disfellowshippedminor could
also quietly sit with his parents. Since it
is not required that a disfellowshipped
person sit at the back of the hall, there
should be no objection if a disfellowshipped
child sits next to his parents,
wherever they are sitting. As the parents
care for their child spiritually, they certainly
would want to make sure that he
is getting the most from the meetings.
Having the child sit with them rather
than leaving the young person unattended
elsewhere may be helpful in this regard.
What, though, if a disfellowshipped
child no longer lives with his parents?
Although this article refers to the disfellowshipped
minor as a male, the points presented also
apply to a female.
Would this circumstance make a difference?
In the past, this magazine has
clearly stated the proper attitude that a
Christian should strive tomaintainwhen
it comes to association with a disfellowshipped
relative who is not living at
home. However, the situation in which
a disfellowshipped person sits quietly in
a seat next to his relatives for the duration
of a meeting is far different from
the situation inwhich the relatives needlessly
seek out his company to associate
with him. If the faithful members of the
family have the proper attitude toward
their disfellowshipped relative and they
are endeavoring to honor the Scriptural
counsel concerning association with
him, there would seem to be no reason
for concern.—1 Cor. 5:11, 13; 2 John 11.
Whether a disfellowshipped person
sits next to a relative or next to any other
member of the congregation should not
be a cause for concern as long as he behaves
properly. Restricting where a person
sits could give rise to various problems,
depending on the circumstances.
If all present, including faithful relatives,
are endeavoring to respect Bible principles
relating to disfellowshipping, and it
is not becoming a cause for stumbling to
the brothers, there is no need to make
an issue of the seating arrangements of
those attending Christian meetings.
See The Watchtower, September 15, 1981, pages
29 and 30.
This updates what was published in The Watchtower
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My Two Favorite Paragraphs Ever Printed in the Watchtower
by LostGeneration in*** w80 3/15 pp.
17-18 pars.
5-6 choosing the best way of life ***.
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problemaddict
"sometimes he permits us to be in error, so that we see our need to always look to him...."
Really? This is why Jehovah allows you to be in error?
Unbelieveable.
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What would it take for YOU to come back?
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problemaddict
I wondered this myself before. I used to think that if they stopped enforcement of belief and doctrine through shunning I could stick around for the sake of friends and family.
They would have to make that seriously retroactive and go back ina time machine and put some weed in Rutherfords food so he would chill the hell out.
Blood doctrine is responsible for too many deaths for me to ever go back. I realize its an extreme example, but isn't it like saying what if those nazi's just didn't like the Jews, but kept the Jew hating down to a minimum.
I know, I know....
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The only thing a JW needs to know to be set free from their religion
by yadda yadda 2 inbillions of human beings right now are muslims, hindus, buddhists, etc, etc.
they do not know a jot about 'jehovah' or the 'watchtower bible & tract society of new york" etc etc.
what is going to happen to these billions of persons at armageddon?.
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problemaddict
2 things are true. JW's in general do NOT think that you are only going to survive Armageddon if you are a baptized JW. The "heart reading" defense. To take it a step further and in a much more dangerous direction, many more JW's DENY THAT THIS IS EVEN TAUGHT OR A MATTER OF OFFICIAL DOCTRINE. There is where the real problem is.
The second thing that is true, is that in my opinion almost none of the problems that exist doctrinally and socially for the religion would exist, if they did not enforce doctrine through disfellowshipping and shunning. If you were free to dissent, free to discuss, free to take blood, free to use your conscience, there would be alot more JW's in my opinion. Not less.
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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problemaddict
Who said you did a bad job on the first conversation? Is there a right way and wrong way to have a personal conversation with a friend about their faith?
Forget about that. Just continue to talk to her about what you have learned by asking her questions, and helping her get answers to hers. Since she believes in God, I would offer one small piece of advise. Try to stay away from the "fringe" errors of the WT. They have some pretty serious things to explain in black and white. Even in the past year, they have written some nutty stuff. Sparlock video, havign a surrogate carry your child is now a disfellowshipping offense, ratcheting up the "shun gun" by including e-mail as bad association, the largest award for abuse victim in the united states, the new Oct release of child abuse policy that STILL protects the interests of the organization over the victim, oh and not knowing who the the FDS is for 94 years since they were appointed and all of the questions that brings up such as apostolic succession.
And blood......don't even get me started.
No need to get into images, mason cover ups, or alien probe conspiracies. Pick the low hanging fruit about the society has offered you by just plain being unintelligent.
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HI! im new here...
by outofthelionsden ini have been reading post on this forum for many months and i wanted to thank you all for all the great posts and comments that have really helped me get through this hard year of fading.
my husband and i where born in jdubs and almost 1 year ago we started to fade , now that we think about it has been a few years that we were suffering from cognitive dissonance without knowing it.
we feel that finally we have our life back , a life that is just starting.
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problemaddict
Hey Lions den,
I am sorry to hear your own flesh and blood are shunning you. it seems more and more common to hear of shunning someone who hasn't even been disfellowshipped. Where are they getting this from!
But think of it this way, many here don't even have their immediate family. My wife continues to go, and while I am working on her, she basically attends because all of her friends and family are still there. She will probably never leave, and we have a toddler, who now we both don't want to learn JW doctrine. It is an unwelcome balancing act. In some ways, you may have ripped off the bandaid, and been through the worst of it.
How in the world did your family not living with you get your computer browsing history? Seems odd and illegal.
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*sigh*
by C.O.B.E.Beef inthis is my first time participating in a site like this , so please.
forgive me if my approach is clumsy.. my story is not extraordinary and hardly interesting, so thanks.
in advance to this forum for extending the bandwidth for my own.
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problemaddict
I'm working on the wifey as we speak. I am pretty sure her only hang up that we can't overcome, is the loss of friends and family. It actually harder than the doctrine.
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NEW video on Youtube MUST SEE! the elder's meeting is ridiculous!
by Newly Enlightened inbrother of the hawk, newly enlightened & gojira, recorded an elder's meeting on 5/7/03.
both does a great job of defending me and making the elders look foolish!.
thank you raypublisher/jj and jwstruggle for the awesome job you did on it.. follow up story was not recorded but we will post it here hopefully over the weekend.. enjoy, it's pretty hilarious how they try to control us and come after me on a work of fiction!.
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I listened to the entire thing. I WISH I would have taped some of my meetings (I had 6), while being removed. I don't know if I could post them, but even a transcript would be pretty amazing. Good on you guys.
I am still trying to figure our who in damn hell, considers damn and hell swear words...
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The watchtower is making some dangerous enemies
by 20yearfader inthis weekend i spent time with a friend that i haven't seen since high school,that would be 22 years.he grew up the same way i did being a born in.he and i both received our share of beatings related to the wt org coming to the hall without a song book not getting a comment low hours in field service etc....where we differ is the fact that his stepdad was beating him with his fist i got the belt or a stick.he would come to school with black eyes due to his infractions with the hall.after we left schoo we lost touch since he was still living at home an going to the meetings and i wasn't, kicked out at 17 so that ending my time with the org.he stayed at home until 21 still getting his fair share of beatings due to any sort of failing that had to do with the org.he left after one beating and joined the marines,he was dfed.while in the marines he told me he asked an got sniper training becoming a deadly shot,he also told me he always volunteered for the most dangerous missions.i can see that he was doing this to escape the pain of his upbringing even to his subconscious mind secrectly hoping to die on one of these missions.he tells me he has some sort of nerve disability that will progress until he cant walk,he has hearing loss due to a grenade going off by his head'he knows one day he will be in a wheelchair disabled it's only a matter of time.he hasn't spoke to his mother and his family in over 20 years they care nothing about him not even returning the calls he leaves on there answering machine,he told me he calls once a month for the past 20 years.sitting here at my house he says out of the clear blue you know i've thought a lot about going to brooklyn and with the skills i have i could do a lot of damage to those men that have ruined my life.i talked him out of it i think,i told him about this site where he could come to vent,because i think he needs to vent badly.i don't know what will happen to him when he is told his quality of life will get worse and if he will revisit the idea of lashing out at what he thinks has ruin his life,i don't know what he will do and even though i think i talked him out of doing anything,can i really say i blame him.i'm in the same boat my family is fractured broken all because of some men,men in brooklyn that hold more control over my family than i can,i wonder do thay ever think about the countless people that they affect with there shunning methods how many broken families they leave in there wake.i will say one thing there are many others out there that think the way my friend does i feel it's only a matter of time before karma comes a knocking..
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problemaddict
Tell him to come here. Murder is wrong, and his actions would be terrible for him and others.
We can help him get through it emotionally. I am sure he was just venting to a friend, but its really important to make sure things like this never escalate.