i had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?
but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.
that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.
^^^Watcher but that is you. Strictly speaking the bible says women aren't to "teach". What is the issue if they help run a mike, run sound, pass out magazines, or any other busy work that exists?
Quite frankly....I think they will change this soon.
Annointed or not, doesn't matter.
That Sam Herd talk was crazy ridiculously insane. And he now helps set policy that people believe comes from God.
....really makes you think.
in numbers 31 we read the following:.
jehovah then told moses:2 take vengeance for the israelites on the midianites.
afterward you will be gathered to your people.3 so moses spoke to the people, saying: equip men from among you for battle against midian and to execute jehovahs vengeance on midian.4 you should send 1,000 of each tribe of all the tribes of israel into the army............ 7 they waged war against midian, just as jehovah had commanded moses, and they killed every male.8 along with the others slain, they killed the kings of midian, namely, evi, rekem, zur, hur, and reba, the five kings of midian.
Perry seriously.......those attempts to explain or reason what was written only made me more angry.
It basically says its not quite exactly as bad as it seems.
this topic is of a theological nature.
if you have some scriptural insight, please share.
grievances are not welcome!.
Rhodesboy,
You may go down as another Joe in history that looks at what they percieve this week through economics, culture, shifting of world power, what world power really is, and more.......to come up with a theory on prophecy that conveniently will occur in your lifetime, or even soon.
The truth is the governing body can't explain what it is the governing body teches anymore. They have forbidden college, forbidden apologetics, and the ones of faith that did this and even set up defense of JW beliefs in the late 90's and early 2000's, are either getting too old, or have left the organization themselves.
There is such a thing as over-analyzing. In addition, if you are a Christian, to seek for that which does not "belong to you", can in fact cause harm. As if there is an answer already there, and you can work hard to solve it. JW theology, you have to know at this point, was built by very few people. Those people are dead. Those who have taken over, tweak previous theology based on what they feel is "apparent".
for some reason i am not able to log in to my account so i have created this one instead.. as many of you may know i am a disfellowshipped gay.
here was my story for those who dont:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/215019/1/living-as-a-gay-jehovahs-witness-my-story#.u_mrcvlduvk.
Offer to explain to her why you are making a conscious decision to not support the religion you were once a part of and know very well. Don't even make it about being gay.
Ask her how she knows time is running out? World getting worse? I think not. 100 years ago Ebola would have wiped out 15% of the continent of Africa by now.
Reinstatement.....how? Reinstated to what.....that you are not already?
These are the things that will get her to think, or just leave you alone.
it's almost 1am and i can't sleep...again.
i hate to think the organization is still taking my sleep from me 16 years later but i can't help it.
i run a page on social media for ex jw support and advice and i'm usually there helping others but it definitely takes a toll on me when i'm having to argue and disprove jws that troll my page.
bsand20,
Lots of people relate to how you feel. We reach out to others and try to help, and at the same time we suffer the same feelings and issues. This is really a bizarre place to be......."former JW".
It is something quite literally you have to have gone through to understand. Its why these places and groups are so important.
I am not certain why the shunning has restarted with gusto. Last year the convention made it seem more important. This year however I thought they backed off of it a bit. Don't let their back and forth policies affect you mentally. You control your life, and the impact of what has happened to you is meaningful only if you give it meaning in the now.
You have friends you said. Great! Hang out with them. You have kids? Spend time with them. You have hobbies and passions.....awesome. Go get it! Do real JW's troll your site? Let me know where it is and I'll engage them. There is help out there. You know something they don't.
In fact, no more letting your mother emotionally blackmail you. Don't let her off the hook. But don't communicate in anger. When you are there with your father, take her (kindly) to task. Mom, I'm so happy you are talking to me, but last time we spoke you made it clear you would not speak to me as long as I did not convert back to the religion of my youth. Why the change of heart? (try not to be snarky......this will be difficult).
I dont know. Its always easier said then done. It hurts when family does this mess.
had a discussion with my wife about kh/assembly hall builds and i told her i don't believe the watchtower society follow osha standards on there build sites.
she trumpted it up that the borg follows stringent pratices and there standards would be more strict.
i laughed and said....ya i don't think so.
Well......the answer is yes and no and maybe. Generally, most construction sites are always in violation of OSHA at one time or another. I have for the most part the builds are fairly on point. At least on point as most sites, and of course the "safety team" can sometimes bring them up a notch. They have the truck huddles OSHA wants, and they generally are applying all guidelines regarding noise, dust, and more.
Kids and minors on site......that is an issue. But the society has a layman workforce for the most part. I am sure there is a work around for volunteer work force for a religious institution.
i remember back in the day when i was a devout jw in the 90s elders would go to the hospital to try and see if a person took a blood transfusion.
i remember my cousin was having surgery after a severe car accident and if he did not take blood the doctor said he would have died.
the elder came to the hospital and badgered my cousin's wife until she told him my cousin did get some blood.
There is the policy, and then there is the policy. This is still a third rail for leadership, but a rallying point for rank and file. So leadership understands the basic concept of "we don't really disfellowship for that anymore", which means essentially, we still teach its wrong, but leave up to people to decide, and so there isn't a stink about it if someone takes blood and feels bad about it we "extend mercy".
However, if someone took blood and was beligerant, vocal, and unrepentant, you can be sure they would still be announced as no longer one of Jehovahs Witnesses.
i absolutely love watching the animal channel and just observing the animal kingdom has really brought up some serious questions for any devout anti-gay religions such as born-again christians(bacs) and jws.
some animals such as deers practice lesbianism when there is no male deer around.
i almost fell out of my chair when watching this.
The entire concept of animal homosexuality being compared with human homosexuality when plain old regular animal sex and human sex are not very analgous in a variety of meaningful ways......is a bit of a slippery slope no?
questions from readers watchtower 2014, november 15, page 28-29: "how are elders and ministerial servants appointed in each congregation?".
that's all folks!.
dark spliver.
SPOILER ALERT
Sure the CO's may now appoint them, and before it was the GB, and the locals still will recommend to the CO.........but who gets the credit? HOLY SPIRIT. Thats right, God himself through this process appoints those guys, so listen to them!
as you know, my husband has physically left the witnesses.
he nevertheless clings to many of the beliefs like a protective cloak, and every once in a while i trigger a dissonant episode where my reality clashes with his.
recently he listened in on my work research, a video of a futurist describing the a potential "disruptive change" event in the next fifteen years, as our culture shifts to autonomic (driverless) vehicles.
I was trying to remember the authors name......its on my short list.
