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  Blood Policy

  by cyrano in

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  2. friends

  i think the old men at brooklyn are in a bind when it comes to the blood policy.

  so many jws have lost their lives from this policy that if the borg suddenly did a 180 and allowed transfusions, there would be thousands of mad family members asking too many questions and probably too many law suits.. i think they know it's a dumb-ass policy but their overpaid lawyers are probably telling them to stick with it to avoid massive class-action suits.

  like everything else in brooklyn, the all-mighty dollar has the final word.

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  FredHall,

  Do you have anything of substance to add to this thread?

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  I've been studying.........

  by bchapp in

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  2. friends

  i have been studying with the jw's for several years.

  they have been pressuring me to become one of them, but something seems to be holding me back, instinct maybe?

  i agree a lot of their teaching are good, and i'm sure are the truth but here are a few of the things that bother me: jw's use the scripture hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the gathering of yourselves together...... to justify their meetings.

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  simwitness

  My take on the "don't forsake gathering together" has allways been that this was written to believers at a time when gathering would alert the "local authorities" to the group, and folks were being imprisoned/punished/killed for the belief.

  Getting together at that point would mean (potentially) the destruction of all "like minded" folks in one swoop.

  Such is not the case today.

  IMHO, it was never about the quantity of time, but the quality of the gathering.

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  Blood Policy

  by cyrano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the old men at brooklyn are in a bind when it comes to the blood policy.

  so many jws have lost their lives from this policy that if the borg suddenly did a 180 and allowed transfusions, there would be thousands of mad family members asking too many questions and probably too many law suits.. i think they know it's a dumb-ass policy but their overpaid lawyers are probably telling them to stick with it to avoid massive class-action suits.

  like everything else in brooklyn, the all-mighty dollar has the final word.

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  simwitness

  Mike:

  Are you in a Posse?

  No, I am not.

  For me, "nuf said" simply means that I have stated my argument/reasoning, and I have nothing further on it at that time. I rarely use it these days, but for some reason it seemed to fit, as I was arguing FredHall's statement.

  So, for me, it was "letting go" and "chilling" on it. I am not sure why FredHall's statements triggered me either, they just did.

  Thank you for the quote, I wasn't intending to question you or your intentions with my "disclaimer"...

  --sim
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  WT 15 June - Approves of Internet?

  by Nemesis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i just noticed this in the latest mags (15 june, 2002, see picture below) on the top box: if we want .

  a concordance to the bible, we can find no better than the internet.. im just wondering if this will lead more witnesses to indulge in some web surfing, with the inevitable consequences of them coming across some critical matter?

  lets hope so!

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  simwitness

  First thought:

  This is a "Reaction" article by the WTBS, they realize that they cannot stop the members from using the net, and since they (the members) are "bible students" it is only natural to use the technology at hand to do research.

  So, the quote is loaded to say "yeah, you can find stuff, but to really understand it you have to hold the book in your hands".. and of course the primary version the members have is the NWT... surely you wouldn't want to compare the translations???

  They then go on to discredit the "resources" by questioning the methodology of studying... as if the "bible were written by humans" instead of being "god breathed".... sheesh... again... the bible is a big mystery to all but the FD&S... those out there don't get that anymore.

  What I think the fallout will be? Just like the WTBS has managed to "demonize" everything else, they are planting seeds of doubt that the "average" member will take to heart.

  Reasonable people that have any inteligence what so ever will realize that in order to understand the writing, you MUST understand the language that it was written in.

  In the end, this shows that the FD&S are grasping at straws to control the members access to the "truth"...
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  Blood Policy

  by cyrano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the old men at brooklyn are in a bind when it comes to the blood policy.

  so many jws have lost their lives from this policy that if the borg suddenly did a 180 and allowed transfusions, there would be thousands of mad family members asking too many questions and probably too many law suits.. i think they know it's a dumb-ass policy but their overpaid lawyers are probably telling them to stick with it to avoid massive class-action suits.

  like everything else in brooklyn, the all-mighty dollar has the final word.

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  MikeMusto, you quoted:

  arly studies estimated the risk of erroneous administration of blood at 1 in 12,000 units, with resultant fatal AHTR at approximately 1 in 600,000 to 1 in 800,000 units transfused.6,7 According to a report from the New York State Department of Health (which requires reporting of transfusion errors), from 1990 to 1999, 1 in 19,000 RBC units were administered erroneously and 1 in 1,800,000 resulted in fatality.4

  (I will take this quote at face value, since you did not quote the source)

  Now, If I read this correctly, the odds are pretty darn good that a blood transfusion, EVEN IF AN ERROR OCCURS, will NOT kill you.

  Now, answer me this, those that believe that God "commands us" to abstain from blood upon penalty of death...

  If you honestly believe that he has a hand in everyday affairs, would he ALLOW such success from it? If he truly wanted us to "abstain from blood" wouldn't it have been easier to allow medical science to fail each and every time they attempted to make it work?

  IMHO, it is the simple fact that it succeeds so well that it must be a "miracle" (for lack of a better term) from God himself.

  I think the WTBS already has an easy way out. All they have to do is A)some of the ideas that have already been posted
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  B)follow that "up to the individuals concience" stuff they post on their website.

  ' nuf said.

  Thanks to all.

  (FredHall, still lookin in the mirror????)
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  Blood Policy

  by cyrano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the old men at brooklyn are in a bind when it comes to the blood policy.

  so many jws have lost their lives from this policy that if the borg suddenly did a 180 and allowed transfusions, there would be thousands of mad family members asking too many questions and probably too many law suits.. i think they know it's a dumb-ass policy but their overpaid lawyers are probably telling them to stick with it to avoid massive class-action suits.

  like everything else in brooklyn, the all-mighty dollar has the final word.

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  simwitness

  FredHall said:
  

  Dungbeetle,

  You don't know a dickhead when you see one.

  Well Fred, I sure do. Have you looked in a mirror lately?

  Also, Fred, show me the numbers...
  How many people have been killed because of a blood transfusion compared to the number that have been saved via one?

  Secondly, I would put forward that those needing blood transfusions are already in danger of dieing to begin with and the blood transfusion itself simply "wasn't enough".

  You make a comment, you better back it up, with COLD HARD FACTS, not WTBS bull.....
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  How many found the REAL truth from the internet?

  by Leander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if it was'nt for the internet i would still be stuck in the endless cycle of drone like meeting attendance and field service.

  (technically i'm still in but not for long) i'm really glad that some ex-jws took the time to speak about the real truth.

  for the longest time i always thought that what i was taught was correct, i never even felt the need to question it or validate it with actual facts.

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  For me, I have been "out" for years... I guess you could say I DA'd myself when I was 15 (long story for another time)...for 20 years I "knew" that stuff wasn't right with the WTBS, and when I started looking at the net sites I started getting "vindication" for my thoughts and feelings... and more importantly I had the proof required to back them up. (You see my dad is a _very_ active elder).

  My recent journey actually began on Ebay, when I decided to start looking for the oldest books, the "Studies in Scriptures" don't know why I wanted them, just knew I had to have them eventually... what an eye opener they were! That led me to the Free-Minds site and a few others, and eventually here.

  I have learned more in the past 3-4 months about the "bible", the WTBS, and many other things then I ever did earlier on.

  Many thanks to all the friends here.
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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  simwitness

  Fred,

  Repsectfully, I think that the distinction Bill is trying to make is to whom the parents must report the abuse to.

  The WTBS "appears" to want everything thru the elders FIRST, and not to secular authorities whenever possible. Some of the other threads and WTBS articles clearly spell this out.

  Having an article/letter to all MEMBERS stating that they should go to the local authorities first (without sanction) would solve many of the issues. (Not all of them, mind you).

  (I upped the letter to all congregations to all members, since there is now way to ensure that the elders would actually distribute the info.)

  Just my thoughts....
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  To All Those With The Elders' Textbook

  by stevieb1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not an elder but i do have a photocopy of the book from the net.

  a number of elders in the congregation say that i should hand it over to them as "i should not have it.

  " the chief reason they give for their request is that the information therein (such as the chapters on judicial cases) is not for my consumption and would not be of any use to me as i'm not an elder in the same way a book on surgical technique would be of little use to me if i wasn't a practicing surgeon.. the claim is made that those who post confidential "to the body of elders" letters on the net are being dishonest - therefore they are not christians.

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  Thanks dung! (I can call you dung, can't I??) :)

  I had thought privately to "prevent" the WTBS trolls from causing havoc on the website hosting it.

  I have been to the site you mentioned, but did not realize that the entire book was there, i will have to dig further.

  Thanks again.
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  To All Those With The Elders' Textbook

  by stevieb1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not an elder but i do have a photocopy of the book from the net.

  a number of elders in the congregation say that i should hand it over to them as "i should not have it.

  " the chief reason they give for their request is that the information therein (such as the chapters on judicial cases) is not for my consumption and would not be of any use to me as i'm not an elder in the same way a book on surgical technique would be of little use to me if i wasn't a practicing surgeon.. the claim is made that those who post confidential "to the body of elders" letters on the net are being dishonest - therefore they are not christians.

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  Would you mind sending me (privately) a link to where you got this? Or hints as to how I might find it?