Posts by simwitness

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Respect Your Elders!

by comforter in

jw
friends

ex-jws in this place often berate the gerontological state of the governing body.

the speak abusively about the oold men in brooklyn.

why the antipathos against the men in brooklyn?

simwitness

Let me explain what I mean by negative respect. Negative respect, for me, means that one shows respect by means of privative honor. When one negatively respects someone else, one shows negative respect by not doing or saying anything harmful to the one toward whom negative respect is directed. Now do you understand?

Ok, so the "say nothing if you don't have something positive to say" rule... I can live with that... but other's do not have to... that is what "freedom of expression" is all about.

Is that what the ageist comments in this place are about? To lighten the mood?

In general yes. No one (or atleast not me) is at all concerned with the physical abilities of the GB. We are concerned with their mental faculties, however. By using these physical traits to describe them, it helps paint a picture of just how the poster sees them.

No hypocrisy at all. One can positively respect the flag without putting one's hand over one's heart. This act would not be hypocritical. Neither would respecting Hitler as leader while disobeying him be hypocritical. We must obey God as Ruler rather than men (Acts 5:29).

Hypocrisy is defined as "saying one thing while believing another", so yes, that is hypocrisy to "respect the leader" while "disobeying his leadership". You can re-define it any way you want, you can justify it any way you want, but it is still hypocrisy.

Beyond all of that, you are mixing up the messages.

I would think that you would agree that the term "elder" is very loaded in this context, since it also denotes a position within the congregation.

So, to say "respect your elders" has two different and distinct meanings.

Which one of them are you reffering to?

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Respect Your Elders!

by comforter in

jw
friends

ex-jws in this place often berate the gerontological state of the governing body.

the speak abusively about the oold men in brooklyn.

why the antipathos against the men in brooklyn?

simwitness

Respect has two faces (aspects). One is negative and the other is positive. While I would have trouble rendering Hitler positive respect, I would still render him negative respect.

Do you even read what you are posting?
You start off saying that we are to respect our "elders", and then you add (much later) that there are 2 kinds of respect and "negative respect" is still respect.

Well, I think it is safe to say that most here show "negative respect" to the GB becuase that is the respect they have earned.

I would not deride his gastric problems or his inability to chew steak. For such problems have nothing to do with Hitler's character per se.

No, but they do help to "lighten the mood" and display accurately just how feeble they are.

If I lived under his regime, I would also postively respect Hitler in another way, without obeying his dastardly dictates.

And that my friend, is what they call hypocrisy.

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Are You Loony?? (another fun test)

by noidea in

jw
friends

http://www.emode.com/emode/tests/loony2.jsp .

to borrow a phrase from forrest gump, loony is as loony does.

you know how true that is in fact, you've embraced it.

simwitness

Darn... I don't even stand out here!

You're as crazy as you wanna be. Loony one moment, sane the next, you can adjust your nuttiness level at any time.

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The Faithful? Slave Class Substitutes Calculations

by TheOldHippie in

ok, here are the faithful slave class calculations, incorporating their substitues and the substitutes' substitutes.

a bit dull and heavy (hello, larsguy!

.......), but based on population statistics and mathematics.. in 1935, there were 52,465 proessing to be of the remnant.

simwitness

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Watchtower 1/1/89

by Elsewhere in

does anyone have a copy of the watchtower 1/1/89 (not the bound volume).. i am willing to pay for an original copy.. "as every one knows, there are mistakes in the bible" - the watchtower, april 15, 1928, p. 126 .

believe in yourself, not mythology.. <x ><

simwitness

megaDude...

I was giving the "in our time" some thought.

You are right, that it is very ambiguous, but think about the reader and urgency.

They are obviously loading the term so that the individual reading it will think about it within their concept of "our time", which is before he/she/they die. (but not neccisarily by the end of the 20th century!)...

Wow, to be the sole channel and have to leave _everything_ open to interpetation and "new light"... what confidence I have in the statements made by the WTBS!

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The Faithful? Slave Class Substitutes Calculations

by TheOldHippie in

ok, here are the faithful slave class calculations, incorporating their substitues and the substitutes' substitutes.

a bit dull and heavy (hello, larsguy!

.......), but based on population statistics and mathematics.. in 1935, there were 52,465 proessing to be of the remnant.

simwitness

Dumb question:

As the age of the population sample increases, wouldn't the mortality rate for that sample also increase?

Surely it would not stay steady.

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Watchtower 1/1/89

by Elsewhere in

does anyone have a copy of the watchtower 1/1/89 (not the bound volume).. i am willing to pay for an original copy.. "as every one knows, there are mistakes in the bible" - the watchtower, april 15, 1928, p. 126 .

believe in yourself, not mythology.. <x ><

simwitness

However, by the beginning of the second century C.E., apostacy was creeping into the Christian congregation.

Ok, and exactly when did the bible become the bible? 2 centuries LATER? Some/Most of the "books" weren't written until the "beginning of the second century" (I assume that means 101-200).

Funny, I don't remember Paul, Peter or any of the other disciples being on the list at the Nicene Council, or at Trent.

hmmmmm.....

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The Good News

by Kenneson in

matt.

24:14 "and this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.".

jws claim they are the only ones who preach the good news that the.

simwitness

SS-

yup, but remember, the WTBS has "SID" (Selective Interpetation Disorder), so that does not apply to them.

I will see if I can find the quote where they specifically admit that they have been teaching a "new gospel" since 1914.

SYN, yup, good ole Christian love at it's best. You would think that they would be praying for god to hold off until they could "save just one more".... instead of praying for the end to come sooner.

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