Posts by simwitness

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Apostates don't burn they just stay dead.

by Bleep in

when the time comes for being judged in perfect conditions we will still have ridiculers picketing those who know god's word.

jesus planted a great seed for us all; why not take advantage of that now by learning instead of blaspheming?.

funny how people think we are being judged now.

simwitness

Guess no one else wants to know what happens when you die

Well, Bleep, the only way I know of to know for sure is to DIE and find out for oneself.

Now, as far as I know, there is only ONE recorded person that has successfully died and "lived" to tell about his experience, and he simply said "believe and you shall not die". (and there is enough debate on that subject alone to fill several books).

Now, Bleep, please tell me from your PERSONAL EXPERIENCE what happens to us when we die? IF you have not experienced this phenomena for yourself, you simply don't have any evidence for what happens afterwards, now do you?

If, as you and the WT suggest, nothing "bad" happens to those that do not believe (they dont burn for all eternity, they simply cease to exist) why should I worry about getting on the "good side" as it were? Afterall, once I am dead, I certainly wont know anydifference now will I?

On the other hand, if HELL is a reality, I certainly have more motive to be on the good side, now don't I?

Now, tell me bleep, Exactly how do I get on the "good" side? Better yet, tell me why I should listen to the ramblings of a 100+ year old "publixhing company" that has routinely lied to it's own followers?

Have a nice day.

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what the watchtower says about the bible

by zev in

*** w65 7/1 391 what is required to understand the bible?

he does not impart his holy spirit and an understanding and appreciation of his word apart from his visible organization.

*** w67 10/1 587 finding freedom with jehovah's visible organization ***

simwitness

I also liked this one, because I allways looked at it as a slam at the Russel era folks:

They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such Bible reading, they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendoms clergy were teaching 100 years ago, and some have even returned to celebrating Christendoms festivals again, such as the Roman Saturnalia of December 25! Jesus and his apostles warned against such lawless ones.

Since, until Rutherford, Christmas and other "festivals" were just fine.

This was also prior to when the WTBS was "forced" to acklnowledge their roots with Russell...

Ah, the information age, how grand it is!

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what the watchtower says about the bible

by zev in

*** w65 7/1 391 what is required to understand the bible?

he does not impart his holy spirit and an understanding and appreciation of his word apart from his visible organization.

*** w67 10/1 587 finding freedom with jehovah's visible organization ***

simwitness

Jehovah God has seen to it that his Word has been protected not only from mistakes copyists made

Of course, the WTBS found the "mistakes" where the copyists left out the name "Jehovah"...

What a laugh... by there very own words they condemn themselves.

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APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

by You Know in

as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

simwitness

YK said (on this very page, in this very thread):

I merely said that if the financial system would either crash or it would be in a state of war.

So, which of the two happened on 9-11?

Did the Financial System crash? (no) Could it, is it now, or will it ever is not the question at hand.

Is the Financial system in a state of war? ("it" in that sentance clearly points to the "financial system") No. Is america "at war" with Terrorism (or the Al Queda, the Taliban) Yes. Was it due to a financial collapse? No. Is it in response to the aforementioned groups actions against american interests? Yes. Did it help the economy? Some say yes, others no.

So, niether part of his either/or sentance that he just "clarified" happened.

I don't care about the bet, but You Know clearly is not very good at covering up his own dishonesty.

Perhaps You Know would like to clarify furhter, but it is abundantly clear that he will never admit that he was simply "wrong" about something.

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Complexity, er..no, Simplicity demands a Designer

by SixofNine in

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life's complexity defies demand for a designer

by tom siegfried / the dallas morning news

life is complicated, and explaining it is more complicated still or so it would seem.

simwitness

Surely any timepiece made by man, be it a Victoriam pocket watch or a modern digital , is only set to follow the timekeeping of the rotation of the Earth ,in 24 hours and the orbit of the Earth in c 365.25 days. Those time periods are accurate to a final degree , no "Wild abandon " there!

The only ones that I know of that are "set to follow the rotation of the earth" are the old "sundials"... surely that is simplicity at it's best, and since the ones I have seen are set in "stone", there is certainly little room for "wild abandon".

The other ones you mention require someone to "design" something (gears, electronics, etc...) to mimic those natural forces, or atleast keep "time" with them based on rules, which, at times, unneccisarily complicate the simplest of things.

Interesting article, nonetheless.

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Signs

by SpiceItUp in

who is going to see this movie this weekend.

i was completely excited when i saw the previews for it the first time a few months ago--now its almost here.. i cant wait!.

who else has been waiting in anticipation for this one??

simwitness

same here.

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IS the NWT really the WT Bible?

by Bleep in

just wondered how many people this this is all true.

feel free to really think about this one and provide proof and examples.

simwitness

The best viewpoint is one of balance, especially when a topic such as translation bias can come into play.

My suggestion:

Don't rely on any one source (or Translation) to base your bible studies on. Get several. Also, use resources, such as Strong's Concordance, that are available outside of the WTBS to keep your viewpoints balanced. Shy away from those books that are heavily biased toward a specific theological standpoint, until you are ready for them.

There are many online bibles and concordences that will help you along.

Primarily, remember to think for yourself, and honestly seek out the answers to your questions. If the answers you get doesn't "jive" for some reason, then keep searching. No "imperfect" man (or organization) has a trademark on the "truth".

Personally, I do not trust the NWT as my main point of study, since I have no basis on which to trust the honesty of the translator(s). I compare it, with others, and seek a balanced view of the question.

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Asteroid + Dow Jones = You Know's Prophecy

by Amazing in

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okay you know: i am confused and need some wisdom.

see my secular humanist response below.edited by - amazing on 24 july 2002 19:44:40.

simwitness

Looks like this isn't a problem anymore....

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Heaven-or-hell argument ends with shotgun slaying

by simwitness in

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well, i guess one of them will find out sooner than the other!.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/us/07/29/afterlife.argument.reut/index.html.

simwitness

Well, I guess one of them will find out sooner than the other!

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/29/afterlife.argument.reut/index.html

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JAH REASONS WITH DICTATORS OF SODOM

by You Know in

peter once wrote concerning paul's writings, saying: "in them, however, are some things hard to understand" that being the case, it is understandable why jehovah opened his long-running dialogue with israel, through isaiah, by saying: "my own people have not behaved understandingly.

" further, in that 1st chapter, at verse 10, jehovah addresses the leaders of his people saying: "hear the word of jehovah, you dictators of sodom.

give ear to the law of our god, you people of gomorrah.

simwitness

Bleep, RWC...

I had no intentions of debating the Trinity, or starting a debate on the subject. The reason that it came up was YK's use of it as support for his (faulty) claim that only the JW's could have a relationship with God.

YK's faulty logic has already been pointed out on the subject, and he has quietly left the thread.

There have been numerous other threads on this board related to the subject of the Trinity, or feel free to start a new one if you desire, but I think YK would like to see this thread end, so that he can start a new one using his famous "fuzzy logic" on the end times and just how special the JWs are.

Have a great day!