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  I got that dreaded call....

  by loosie in

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  my ex sister in law called me this morning to tell me that bother had shot himself.. he was raised a witness but stopped going at 18. he was my favorite brother always level headed and smart.. except lately.

  apparently he has been robbing banks in ca this summer.

  he led the police on a freeway chase and decided to shot himself instead of go to jail.. now i am wondering how well i know anyone at all anymore.. .

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  Moving on... advice needed

  by bluesbreaker59 in

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  so this week, i broke up with my "on again off again" girlfriend of 8 months.

  i came to realize that even though i cared about her immensely, i didn't see us working out long term.

  that thought hit me a couple weeks ago, so i didn't think i should waste anymore of her time or mine.

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  Yeah, cheating was a shit thing to do.

  Just try and not "rebound" with the new girl. Take some time out. The new girl doesn't deserve that either.

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  "You're not a christIAn"

  by CHILD in

  1. watchtower
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  i heard that from many householders.

  i always told them i was/am a christian.

  now, after reading some of the old threads, i'm disturbed.

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  There are two arguments from what I can see.

  First, that the JWs don't put enough emphasis and faith in Jesus himself - rather everything is about Jehovah. They pray to Jehovah, they see their salvation in Jehovah (via Jesus...but Jesus appears secondary).

  They think that Jehovah is "Almighty God" and Jesus is "Mighty God" - if both are "gods" then the JW's appear to believe in two "True Gods" - hence many Christians think that this is incorrect since there is only "one True God".

  Jesus is seen as an Arch-Angel - and this lowering of him is a problem for most christians.

  Secondly, most Christians see Jesus as Almighty God. JWs don't.....

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  Secondly, JWs
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  A desperate time for JW as realisation inevitable dawns .....

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in time, slowly and inevitably, a lot of jws will realise that they have been conned.

  they may deny it at first but eventually a substantial amount will discover that they have lost their lives, their talents and their potential to of all things, a book publishing company!.

  so, what will their reactions be?

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  I pointed out that the GB have made the "144000" calling open again....meaning any person can now claim to be anoined. The result will be that Armageddon could be 50 years away.

  Response from JW relatives: "So?" "We don't know the day or the hour anyway"

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  Slowly killing myself

  by 5thGeneration in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just got back from the doctor and he was alarmed at my liver function test.

  he sent me for an ultrasound of my liver and i'm being tested for hep.. problem:.

  my drinking way too much is because i have a hard time dealing with wanting to leave the 'truth' but can't.

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  Oompa,

  I can see your point. Being in the JW's is a struggle and so many do use alcohol to self-medicate.

  If you think about actual *addicts* though - they usually start of using alcohol for that kind of reason, but then they discover they are addicted, even if their circumstances improve.

  So that is how you can get an alcohol addict whose life seems great,who still abuses alcohol. It becomes difficult for them to cope with ordinary life without alcohol.

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  how is the WT a "literature selling scam"?

  by inkling in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have heard several people refer to the society as publishing company in the business.

  of selling books and magazines.. i just don't see how this view can be valid considering that i almost never see.

  any "voluntary contributions" come in from the door-to-door work.

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  OK lets get this straight.

  In the UK the dubs started to ask for "donations" on literature for TAX REASONS.

  Where JWs used to pay a few pence for each rag, and similarly charge that out to the public, nowadays you have people "estimating" in their heads how much the mags cost and giving a "donation".

  I'd be prepared to bet that they get more donations for the literature than they did before.

  For instance, where you used to be able to buy a bible for £3, noone in their right minds would put that price on it now. So you'd have a householder giving £5 or more for a bible - if they are remotely decent people.

  I once met a blind person on the ministry and asked for the cong to order a Braille book. I got interrogated about it and was told that the cost of the book was too high to just "give out" and that the person had to be 100% interested and 100% willing to give a donation. They don't want blind people being JWs - problems getting them to do your sales for you.

  In the local hall, we were told to NEVER EVER tell a householder that the mag was FREE. We were carefully schooled to say "there is no charge, but we accept donations"......ALWAYS always mention a donation. If the householder decided to give what they estimated to be an OK amount, they'd be likely to give 50pence or £1 compared to 30 pence which was the old charge! Therefore MORE profit, NO TAX.

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  Slowly killing myself

  by 5thGeneration in

  1. jw
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  just got back from the doctor and he was alarmed at my liver function test.

  he sent me for an ultrasound of my liver and i'm being tested for hep.. problem:.

  my drinking way too much is because i have a hard time dealing with wanting to leave the 'truth' but can't.

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  bttt for 5th Generation
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  Christianity in a nutshell

  by serotonin_wraith in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's see exactly what people are holding so firmly to, while all the time believing they aren't actually deluded.. section taken from: .

  http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,1816,are-the-new-atheists-avoiding-the-real-arguments,edmund-standing-butterfliesandwheelscom.

  first, let's take a quick look at the basic biblical narrative:.

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  "And the peasant brought forth his oats and his wheat and his many grains;

  And the Invisible Pink Unicorn witnessed this event; And She declared,

  'Neigh, neigh neigh.'

  And there was much rejoicing."

  -- Feshuud 5:17-20

  "It is only through faith that we can see Her divine Pinkness."

  -- Arthur von Gromblin, Founder, IPU Ministries, Inc.

  http://filer.case.edu/bct4/
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  how is the WT a "literature selling scam"?

  by inkling in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have heard several people refer to the society as publishing company in the business.

  of selling books and magazines.. i just don't see how this view can be valid considering that i almost never see.

  any "voluntary contributions" come in from the door-to-door work.

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  How many publishing companies can guarantee selling at LEAST 6 million copies of each book they produce?

  On the web the WTS is listed as a Charity in the UK and gives a turnover of £14,000,000 for last year. They send some of this money back overseas, which they list as "expenses" but there was still around £3,000,000 clear profit (not spent on expenses).

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  Step-Daughter Farks up Halloween.....

  by MinisterAmos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i finally get the wife to promise and dress up in costume to take our 3y/o out trick or treating with us!

  i won right?

  my wife spends hours getting ready, we blow off the dub school for the night, it's dark and our daughter is in her princess dress,..... .

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  think Halloween is the stupidest dumpiest most satanic celebration on any calendar regardless of your faith.

  Lone ranger. The origins of Halloween have NOTHING to do with Satan. http://www.religioustolerance.org/hallowee.htm

  The original festival, Samhain, is neither stupid nor satanic.

  Some people seem to be fixated on "Satan" - my goodness what power is attributed to him by Christians.

  Sirona