i know that honest-hearted ones here are thoroughly sick of friend's ill-disguised, legalistic, nitpicking, ground-shifting, form-over-substancing, necrophilia-inducing attempt to deny that the setup and conduct of the watchtower society serves excellently to encourage pedophilia... (of course, like all apologetics claim, he is not defending the cult, only attacking the poor argument of the opposer - lol!
lol!
lol!).
hmmm...
Maybe it's just me, but I am not having any trouble understanding EXACTLY what Focus is saying.
As for those calling Focus "stupid", or, "an idiot", you aren't fooling anyone. You don't believe it for a second.
His words may have stung you, they may be bitter as wormwood, you may think him mean spirited, and you may even disagree w/ him on some points. But no, believe me, no one is buying it when you act as if you think he is stupid.
I think he is kind of cuddly.
in order to qualify as spiritual israel there has to be certain fundamental characteristics or basic truths.
these basic truths are revealed in the law covenant given by moses.
and can be traced down from the nation of israel, down through the 1st century congregation, and further down until our day and time.
Coolbreeze! Lord man, with that haircut, it's no wonder you weren't receptive to the pure language of truth as set forth by an unpaid (in dollars) representative of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. I do believe that satan must have used the internet to build a nest in that hair of yours.
ps. with that beard, you'll never get to run the mikes
w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.
do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?
-u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.
ISP, Friend...
I really wish you would get thee to the righteous side of this issue.
It would be a real shame if your good work on the blood issue (and Friend, your work on the blood issue was the truth that set me free, btw) was completely undone in a pissing contest over who can retain the most anal retentivity.
Anyone who has been a JW for more than 2 minutes can understand perfectly how this pedophile issue can be (and evidently often times is) a real problem with the organization as it is set up, and as it is run.
Get that? "as it is set up, and as it is run". Neither of you are ignorant of the above. The evil at the top (the way it is set up) screws over lives at the bottom (the way it is run).
I could get specific about some of your arguments, but I will leave that to others for now. Meanwhile, there is a problem. Get on the side of the solution, or go shoot yourself in the head. Choose one, but don't waste precious time and expense trying to hammer out who can come up with the absolute mostest literal*, mostest legalistic** translation of a 73 QFR. You'll just shoot yourself in the foot doing that.
If Focus has slapped you a bit too hard for your pride to swallow, then listen to JT. He hasn't slapped you at all, but he has pointed out the truth about how the WTBS, the org, the GB, JW's, JW-dom, etc., whatever you want to call it, works (and it is all part and parcel, fraction even, of the same beast). Isn't that the truth to focus on?
Ps. Doesn't it boggle the mind that 21st century Christians are reduced to not only worrying as much as ever about the proper translation of the Bible, but also have to try and "translate" QFR's and study articles, etc?
* literally: absolute unyeilding literalness, most-er than most, intransient most-ocity
** exceedingly most; legalistic-ality squared,
Edited by - SixofNine on 4 March 2001 10:36:35
court hears church confession case.
by david a. lieb.
.c the associated press.
Waiting-- very sorry for my insensitivity. It was a joke, based on the origin of the word hysterical. Sorry again, I should know that this thread was not one to try and inject any humour in.
I guess at this point, I don't really understand the male/female aspect of what you are talking about, but I'll continue trying. I do however understand the frustration over massive injustice, and believe me, when I read your words I feel it. If I were part of your situation, and I thought people were sitting on their hands instead of doing the right thing, you can believe that those hand sitters would know what I thought. They might even be afraid to continue sitting on their hands, if that frustration level rose to the level of hysteria on my part.
Seven, in a way, you have spoken out publicly about your rape, you and Waiting both. I think you are both brave, and I am your cheerleader in anything you do to take away any power those bastards still have in your lives.
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court hears church confession case.
by david a. lieb.
.c the associated press.
Waiting, aren't you getting a bit hysterical?
Six taking cover now.
this is my first post here.
this forum has really.
helped in my break from the organization.. .
Waiting,
Thanks for including LfPS! (libraries for petes sake!). That little boy Pete is from my hometown. I donate regularly, if only to make sure my area doesn't raise any more little monsters like Pete. whew!
would exist love without the existence of sex?
Think about David and Jonathen.
But don't think too much about David and Jonathen.
i've been thinking about americans.
specifically about whether the wt, being an american dominated religion, forces american attitudes and culture upon other nations.. now, don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-american.
living in canada i have a lot of contact with many americans.
Expat, I'm as american as apple pie and gunfire, and I say you are onto something.
This is something I have been thinking about quite a bit lately, both from the angle you are looking at it, but also, from this point of view: I have been noticing that Americans seem to be way under-represented amongst the apostate community. Is this my imagination? Seems that the UK and OZ are taking the real lead in "leaving off the disgusting thing".
Anyone else noticed this? I have to admit I have not done a survey or anything.
But as far as the American mindset, and how it might affect both JW-dom and exJW-dom, I think this "american" saying says alot: "My Country right or wrong".
Substitute "my religion" or, "Jehovahs religion" for, "my country", but keep the obstinate "right or wrong" part, and maybe you get a picture of the attitudes that have gone far in shaping this religion you gave me.
name the song and artist-it hasn't been that long ago.
example: been workin, so hard.
i'm punchin, my card.footloose, kenny loggins.. 1. don't drink, don't smoke, what do ya do?.
Most peoples mind's see the lyrics, that triggers the name of the song, which triggers the name of the singer/band.
Not me.
but here is what I came up with. Thank you for the incredible frustration
1. Adam Ant/
3. J. Giels band/ Love Stinks
6. Cars / ?
8. Phil Collins? /
12. Indigo Girls / Closer to Fine
13. Yes/ ?
14. Rush?
15. CCR/ Centerfield
17. Tom Petty/ Roll?
19. ? (I know this one, dammit)/ Once in a lifetime
21. John Cougar Melloncamp/ jack & diane
24. Springstein/ Glory days
25. ? / Stand?
I can hear almost all of those songs, but it seems to do me no good on a test
did anyone happen to watch dateline last night?
i was watching it and noticed a lot of simalarities to the jw...
"relgion?
Anyone heard from MDS or any of the minor prophets since last nite?
