Posts by notsurewheretogo

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The official list of things for which you may be disfellowshipped

by slimboyfat in

from the secret elders' book which states that the list "of course" is "not comprehensive".

nevertheless here are the acts that they deem worthy of specifying as being possible grounds for chucking people out:.

murdermanslaughter such as killing someone while breaking traffic lawsattempting suicidesexual intercourse with someone other than your spouseanal sex with someone other than your spouseoral sex with someone other than your spousesexual stimulation of the genitals of someone other than your spousedelay in reporting a rape?

notsurewheretogo

That list is surely very incomplete? What about gambling? You can be disfellowshipped for that and I never saw it on the list...

Gluttony, Slander etc are others...

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Some dummy questions for JWs

by FingersCrossed in

1. who do you listen to?

jehovah or his organization?.

2. if you listen to jehovah, how does he speak to you?.

notsurewheretogo

How about this question...

Is it possible for a true prophet to be directed by God’s Spirit and yet is not inspired by God’s Spirit?

To say there is a difference in being "Inspired" and being "directed" by Holy Spirit will not stand in any reasonable discussion...

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Some dummy questions for JWs

by FingersCrossed in

1. who do you listen to?

jehovah or his organization?.

2. if you listen to jehovah, how does he speak to you?.

notsurewheretogo

A quote from Don Cameron's excellent Captives to a Concept book:

A Spirit-Directed, Uninspired True Prophet?

Here is another example of how faulty reasoning eventually catches up with those who try to force the Bible to uphold

their illusion…

The Governing Body does not deny that the organization claims to be, or acts as God’s prophet.109 What they do

deny is that they are inspired.110 Somewhere along the way someone came up with the idea that it’s all right to put God’s name on their teachings and prophecies as long as they don’t claim to be inspired. But this causes a problem that they apparently haven’t noticed yet. According to the

Bible there are only two kinds of prophets:

• True Prophets

• False Prophets

True prophets are inspired by God. False prophets are

not…

• Inspired true prophets

• Uninspired false prophets

But the Watchtower’s religious leaders have created a third kind of prophet that is a mixture or combination of both a true prophet and a false prophet…

Added to this is the fact they also claim to be “God’s spirit-directed organization.” Therefore, when you add up all the things they do and don’t claim to be, they end up a kind prophet that has never before existed. They now have an illusionary Spirit-directed, uninspired true prophet to go along with their illusionary God’s organization.

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Some dummy questions for JWs

by FingersCrossed in

1. who do you listen to?

jehovah or his organization?.

2. if you listen to jehovah, how does he speak to you?.

notsurewheretogo

So for instance the society taught prior to 1962 that if you took an organ tranplant you were in fact a cannibal and you asorbed the traits of the person who you got the organ from, and you were to be disfellowshipped...

Was that from the GB? Yes...are they directed/inspired by Holy Spirit? Yes...so Holy Spirit got that one wrong then as after 1962 they scrapped that idea.

The only way Holy Spirit is not wrong is if the Holy Sprit did NOT direct/inspire the GB to teach that teaching and therein lies the whole issue because that means you cannot trust the GB if what they produce may not be as a result of direction/inspiration from the Holy Spirit.

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Some dummy questions for JWs

by FingersCrossed in

1. who do you listen to?

jehovah or his organization?.

2. if you listen to jehovah, how does he speak to you?.

notsurewheretogo

What utter nonsense...there is NO difference between inspired or directed by Holy Spirit...either the HS is behind the GB's ideas and thoughts or it's not...

The bible writers were "Inspired" to write their books

The GB are directed to give us teachings...

THAT IS THE SAME!

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Some dummy questions for JWs

by FingersCrossed in

1. who do you listen to?

jehovah or his organization?.

2. if you listen to jehovah, how does he speak to you?.

notsurewheretogo

Q7) Does the Holy Spirit teach wrong teachings?

Q8) Is the GB directed by Holy Spirit?

Q9) If the GB has taught wrong teachings then either the Holy Spirit teaches wrong teachings or the GB is not directed by Holy Spirit, which is it?

Q10) If the GB in the past have taught wrong teachings then how can I trust their advice now and on into the future?

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First mention of "new light" may appear in July 15, 2013 Watchtower

by cedars in

a trusted source informs me that the "new light" about the faithful slave is to make its first printed appearance in the july 15th watchtower, which should be available for download online three weeks from now, on around april 15th.. i'm led to believe that the references to the new understanding are made in such a manner as to suggest the "new light" isn't that new at all, which suggests to me that little or no effort is being made to explain the doctrinal connotations.

my source and i are hoping to get a key paragraph posted at the earliest opportunity.

watch this space!.

notsurewheretogo

I think this is fairly significant in the GB eyes! They need to start to distance themselves from Russell and now they can claim that he was not part of the F&DS...

So all his wacky teachings could change without affecting the appointment of the F&DS...so let's throw 1914 out the window? No problem!

Of course, Rutherford was just as wacky and he was not dead in 1918/19 so....

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How Could Jesus Be A Perfect Human When...?

by OneStepOut93 in

how could jesus have been a perfect human on earth if he was born from mary?

doesn't thewatchtower believe since we are all sons and daughters of adam and eve, that we are all genetically imperfect?

so if mary also came from adam and eve like the rest of us but gave birth to jesus then wouldn't jesus have been born imperfectlike the rest of us?.

notsurewheretogo

The Society's official explanation is Holy Spirit caused the egg to be fertlised and that overcame any imperfection contributed from Mary's egg...Holy Spirit continued to protect the unborn child...

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Assembly Talks... Are these assigned based on the thickness of the envelope?

by Calebs Airplane in

from talking to several fading jws over the years, it really does appear that assembly talk assignments are usually given to those pos who consistently hand over the thickest envelopes to the co at the end of his week-long visits.

if the envelope was too thin (or there was no enevelope at all), chances are that no one in that congo would get an assemby talk assighnment.

also, if the co and his wife were treated well or taken to expensive restaurants during their visit, that apparently increased the po's chances of getting an assembly talk assignment.

notsurewheretogo

Each year 3 elders from the body grade all other elders in their cong and send it to the CO as a recommendation as to who could deliver a great talk at the DC...I have done this for the last few years for my cong.

The CO then adds his recommendation and the bethel then assign the talks.

Nothing to do with money or how they treat the CO...I have had talks at DC and got one even though I barely spoke to the CO in his first year....

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Jehovah's Witnesses and the term "Governing Body"

by I_love_Jeff in

the term "governing body" is not in the bible.

they tend to squirm out of such reasoning with something like this, "the word 'bible' is not in the holy scriptures but you still say it, right?

" "the holy scriptures" (2 tim.

notsurewheretogo

One person answered up at a meeting and sumgly said that "Trinity is not even mentioned in the bible so it is a false teaching"...

I caused a bit of stir when I answered up next to say the word "Theocracy" does not appear in the bible either but doesn't mean it is false...to people who believe in the Trinity the idea is in the bible...just like dubs say the idea of Theocracy is in the bible...