Posts by notsurewheretogo

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

notsurewheretogo

It is not "unrighteous loved ones" though is it. It is those that are deemed righteous during the GT as their hearts are changed by the events or simply deserve a resurrection.

In no way does he GB or JW's interpret this as billions get though the Big A. It simply means any who know Jehovah prior but do not serve him and see the GT and then turn to him may be saved or deserve a resurrection in paradise.

Billions do not know and will not suddenly become JW's during the GT. It doesn't mean billions of unrighteous will get saved at the Big A etc.

This new light is simply appeasing those still in that their family who are out are not lost at all when the GT starts and Jehoover determines who gets resurrected and not being so dogmatic about it. It is a softening of their hardline stance. Not an open to billions stance.

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

notsurewheretogo

I don't think the new light means "billions" will be saved at the Big A even if they are not JW's. Their change to the understanding is simply to alleviate concerns to current Jdubs that the folks leaving are not walking corpses and that they are simply suggesting "we do not know how Jehoover will act with someone".

To me they still believe you need to be baptised to be saved but they are being ambiguous with what occurs at the GT/Big A so as to help those in that they need not worry etc.

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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

by gavindlt in

https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

new light?.

https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

notsurewheretogo

What absolute nonsense.

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What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

by Hellothere in

personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

notsurewheretogo

They will not lose. Other similar court cases have been won and it would simply mean appeals to higher courts.

The measure of success of this is not about the WT charity status but rather the continued exposure to the media on the WT and their practices, especially shunning.

And for that we have already won.

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Stop the Electric car solar power brainwashing Lies!!

by Witness 007 in

ford e.v cars lost the company 1.3 billion in three months!

i put 18 solar panels on my house but only get a small rebate $50 a quarter.

bill is $400.

notsurewheretogo

Eh? I have solar panels and they generate enough electricity to run my house in the summer with no cost during the day whilst I work from home. Home solar panels are not about the rebate you get but how much you save by not taking from the grid.

I've saved a fortune the last 4 years as my house draws from solar rather than the grid. Excess is stored in batteries which the house uses at night.

My monthly bill for electricity in the summer is £15 a month.

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UK JW congregation charity status

by BoogerMan in

have all the congregations in england abandoned their individual charity status and joined the kh trust charity?

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i can't find any information about certain congregations on the uk charity commission's web site ..

notsurewheretogo

Checking my local cong they updated their documents in Dec 2023 and are still a registered charity in the UK.

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Now the Baptist Church is waking up to the Watchtower's scandals

by raymond frantz in

https://www.jwupdates.com/post/jehovah-s-witnesses-sue-norway-after-registration-revoked.

the following article appeared on baptist standard's online edition in january 18, 2024. other christian denominations are starting to pay attention to the legal cases against the watchtower and write about it.

like the watchtower did in yester years with catholic csa cases.. oslo district court in norway is home to an ongoing trial after norway deregistered the jehovah’s witnesses last year.

notsurewheretogo

The WT will win the Norway case sadly...it's clear from other cases where they have that are similar.

But as the ex-JW Jan said in his summary its about telling their story and getting media coverage rather than the WT getting their charity status back which is a minor point.

What is also interesting is the sheer desperation from the WT in their defence where they asked the court not to use any WT literature or policy in the case because it is "religious" texts.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

notsurewheretogo

If you believe evolution then some go off the rails like Lloyd did as there is no moral compass anymore and this just brings results that Lloyd has - s

Woah woh woah easy there that is just utter horse crap...Lloyd clearly had lacking moral prior to leaving and those of us that have left still have very good morals.

Don't Pidgeon hole morals in conjunction with beliefs...they are very seperate.

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Will unrighteous survive Armageddon new light?

by ElderBerry in

the bible says there will be a resurrection of the unrighteous, and now they say it’s wrong to hope unrighteous loved ones die before the end because that would be stupid.

yes it is stupid.. if identical twins both left the truth and one died just before armageddon and the other stayed alive then would he be killed only to be resurrected?.

this new light doesn’t make any sense i know they say we just don’t know.

notsurewheretogo

They have made it a gray area now. Taken from another thread below but the WT is simply watering down all their doctrines to be very generic and open to interpretation to avoid issues in the future.

Old light: Once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-JWs. The “door of the ark” is closed. If you’re not an active baptized JW, you are doomed.

New light: Maybe some fold might take a stand for “the truth” even after the GT begins, but before Armageddon. “We just don’t know, Jehovah will do the right thing”.

Old light: Even though not every individual will receive a personal witness, those who are not active baptized JWs will be eternally killed at Armageddon anyway, “Something something community responsibility”.

New light: Jehovah can read hearts, maybe some people who would have responded favorably to a witness but didn’t get one might make it. “We just don’t know, Jehovah will do the right thing”.

Old light: Babies and children of non-JWs will be slaughtered right along with their parents at Armageddon, parents are responsible for the lives of their children.

New light: 350,000 babies are born every day, “Jehovah will do what is right, we just don’t know.”

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

notsurewheretogo

You all have said plenty already. All I will say is, if he's going to continue to cover documents and topics about CSA, wouldn't you rather there be someone there to bring a sensitivity to the topic? To bring a lived experience to the topic?

In absolutely now way that should be Lloyd given his stance on using sex workers. The two topics are polar opposite and THAT is the issue. If he continues to cover CSA then it weakens that message when a guy who uses hookers says it.