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  Shredded Men

  by Francois in

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  i don't know if this is a "legal" post, but here it is:.

  see men shredded, then say you don't back war.

  by ann clwyd.

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  Well, I remain skeptical about claims of atrocities.....I remember before the Gulf War, SH's soldiers were supposedly taking newborn babies out of incubators and letting them die. The witness was supposedly an Iraqi nurse. Of course, once public support was for the Gulf War, we find out that the whole thing was fabricated. The nurse was not a nurse and had not been in Iraq!

  Do I think SH is a madman? Yup, and I think they should have taken him out when he was defeated in the Gulf War. I was furious that the troops did not finish the job.

  The U.S. needed SH then, and so let him live. Now they don't need him any more. I think this war is about control of oil and control of the Middle East.

  What concerns me is not that they want to remove SH, but my concern is that the public is being lied to.

  If SH is so bad, why wasn't he killed after the Gulf War? Was he a nice guy then and turned bad later? Please.

  Gee, if the Iraq people weren't opposed before, at the time of the Gulf War, and are now, could it be.....due to the U.N. Sanctions? And if they were opposed before, why didn't anyone care?

  Don't tell me SH was OK at the time of the Gulf War and has suddenly become an madman.

  This isn't about saving the Iraqi people or the world. It is about power and control and oil. And the U.S. getting what it wants.

  Iraq is too weak be a threat to anyone. I would feel better if the U.S. simply told us it was to control oil and the Middle East.

  When I first heard of the ultimation, I knew it would be a farce. And it is, though not as stupid as I thought they would make it.

  Iraq will be free to rule itself, the U.S. says. Yes, it will. A puppet government will be set up, and we will get what we want. Hopefully, the Iraqi people will have a better life too, but that will be a side benefit, and is not the real purpose of this war.

  Richard
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  At least we didn't do this in the WT

  by MegaDude in

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  http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/030313/168/3i6de.html&e=1&ncid=996

  thu mar 13,11:50 am et.

  shiite muslim men cut their heads with swords during the annual ritual to mark ashoura day in the southern lebanese town of nabatiyeh, on thursday march 13, 2003. hundreds of shiites in south lebanon marked the 7th century killing of their most revered saint imam hussein, by slashing their heads with blades on the occasion known as ashoura.

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  I'm willing to bet that they are probably bright enough to accept a blood transfusion after the ceremony, to avoid death though.

  Who's crazier?

  Heaven, I was going to say the same thing, but you expressed it perfectly. And yes, Muslims do accept blood transfusions.

  I used a similar argument after the Heaven's Gate tragedy...JWs will give their lives willingly for their beliefs, just as the Heaven's Gate members did. So who is crazier? Needless to say, my JW wife did not appreciate hearing that!

  BTW, folks, if any of you have been in car accident, chances are you know that it only takes a minor cut to the head to produce what seems like one hellva lot of blood. Chances are, the sword only makes a very small cut. I suspect the ceremony, though weird by our standards, is safe.

  It is easy to view a different religion as really weird. Look how weird the JW religion is, but most of us all thought it was reasonable when we were in it. And we wondered why others thought we were nuts; OK, maybe we didn't exactly wonder but we thought they just didn't understand.

  Richard
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses Becoming More Outreach Minded?

  by Kenneson in

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  in 2001 when houston was flooded, thousands of jw volunteers turned up to help fellow jws and a few non-witnesses benefited as well.. in 2002 when mount nyirangongo in goma, congo erupted jws sent aid that helped both jws and non-jws alike.. http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=humanitarian.htm .

  and according to the feb. 15, 2003 watchtower, under the heading "life in a refugee camp" material assistance has been given to everyone in these camps in tanzania.

  see page 16 and especially this quote: "the witnesses in europe have collected tons of soy milk, clothes, shoes, schoolbooks, and soap.

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  ..or they've found a way to "make it pay..."

  mustang, their disaster relief program can pay off big time. In Sarquay [sic] Quebec, Canada, a dam broke and the whole town was flooded. A brother whose house was damaged told me about it. The Witnesses came in and fixed the Witness homes very quickly. They had their homes repaired about a month before anyone else did. This is a good thing. Then the brother told me he would get about $18,000 from the Red Cross to pay for repairs to his home. The Society has asked any brothers or sisters who received money from the Red Cross to donate it to the Society. Think about it. The Red Cross is used to paying commerical firms, so the $18,000 will include about $12,000 for labor. Since the Society incurrs material costs but no labor costs as the labor is volunteered, the Society makes about $12K profit per home if all Red Cross funds are donated to the Society. Those in the construction trade can correct me, but I have heard that 2/3 of construction costs are labor. This gives the Society a 200% profit margin (e.g., $6K in materials invested to get $18K back) on its disaster relief programs....and a lot of good publicity. Richard
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  New Job & New Life in Vancouver Canada!

  by ESTEE in

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  this is my little note to say i won't be on the forum very much in the next while because i am moving.

  big move .

  from saskatoon, saskatchewan to vancouver, bc .

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  Estee,

  I am so happy for you! You will love it out here! And the SkyTrain is the best way to get around, the service is excellent.

  You can't beat B.C. winters! You will wonder why you stayed in the prairies for so long.

  Congratulations on your new job!

  Richard
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  Reconciling with Dad

  by jws in

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  as you may or may not know from previous posts, i am a born & raised jw who just drifted away (no df/da) from a father and two sisters who still keep the jw faith.

  and while my father is aware that i have "apostate" beliefs of some kind, he prefers not to hear of it.

  as a result, we still enjoy each other's company and nobody has "shunned" me.

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  So the question becomes my father. What do you do with somebody like this? The man is very loving and is a very good person, but he's very tied to his religion. He's in his late 70's and this is all he knows. All his friends are JWs. All his social activities are JW ones. It's what keeps him going. Take it away and you take away his reason to live.

  The Dubs don't make that great of demands of elderly Witnesses. If you don't see any real harm in him remaining a JW, leave him be.

  Richard
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  WE'RE MAKING PEROGIES

  by calamityjane in

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  so what do us crazy canucks do when it is too cold outside -32 degress celcius.

  -25 f. u.s. language.

  we do indoor activities like making perogies.

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  we'll do it the old fashioned way, the way my babas (grandmothers) would do it.

  Damn, that brings back pleasant memories.

  Richard
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  How many did you get then?

  by ozziepost in

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  since it's now the worldly, pagan celebration day known as "valentine's day", i was wondering, did you send or receive any valentine's cards?

  do you feel "guilty" about it?

  mrs ozzie loved hers!

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  This year, I am single and free, so no Valentine's cards to send out or receive. My son just prepared his for his class.

  Nope, no guilt. I love spoiling my love on Valentine's Day. I always thought the rule against holidays was stupid.

  After I left the JWs, I took my JW wife out to dinner on Valentine's Day. When reasoning with her, I used the QFR that shows how worldy men can take their JW wife to Christmas dinner. You see, the hubby gets to tell her where she can eat, a fact I shamelessly exploited.

  Plus, for some reason, the local elders hinted very strongly that she should "put up" with her worldly husband, even allowing him to celebrate holidays.

  My wife loved it!

  Later, I got to spoil Windrider. It felt good being her first memory of getting roses, etc. on Valentine's Day.

  Richard
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  My Daughter's Birthday

  by ESTEE in

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  today is my jw daughter's birthday!

  a mommy remembers the day she gave birth to her daughter.

  so i'm gonna just celebrate her day on my own.

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  Estee, you sure know how to throw a party!!!!

  I hope someday your daughter has her eyes opened, not only to the truth about the JWs, but also about what an awesome mom she has!!!

  Richard
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  In God We Trust

  by JH in

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  i wonder if they will change "in god we trust", on their money when religions are banned?

  http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/igwt1.htm.

  edited by - jh on 12 february 2003 20:4:32.

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  some Atheists and separationists are taking pen in hand, and obliterating the "In God We Trust" motto from the national currency.

  How incredibly stupid. I guess there are fanatics in every group of people.

  Richard
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  I CANT MAKE LOVE ?? HOW DO WE DO IT

  by nightwarrior in

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  this posess a seriouse problem to some youngsters within the congregations,are the elders and magazines to controlling ?????.

  ayoung couple started married life of ,without the big bang, yes ladies the husband never knew where to put it ,even three months after his wedding night he still hadnot cosumated the wedding,eventualy after 18 months the wife runs of with a worldly man, .

  are the youngsters getting married to quick / to soon.. does this show to the effect of mind control over some people ,that they are bombarded with negative all through there lives as j.w.. this is just the tip of the pencil how else are people affected by the magazines and elders,.

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  But this thing with the hole in the sheet is just TOO pervy to believe

  LOL...the one time I am not trying to surprise people sexually, people are surprised!

  Richard