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  Does Ray Franz owe us an apology?

  by sleepy in

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  (not, ray franz owes us an apology) .

  (ok lets add this on)do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?at what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?

  this may have been discussed before but i'm not sure.so sorry if it has.

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  sleepy

  Cassline you've gone of the handle a bit there.I was asking a question not making accusations .There is a difference.

  Also I feel you've totally missed the point.

  Read this again,

  "Have you forgiven him?

  If we do hold him partly responable, how do you feel about your part in preaching the message of jehovahs witnesses, are you responsable for other peoples deaths and messed up lives,by say, taking a stand on blood and giving talks praising pioneering ;and encouraging others to do the same?"

  The point being if we blame others what about us?

  Can someone please explain why it is wrong to ask this question.

  Edited by - sleepy on 1 August 2002 12:4:56
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  Does Ray Franz owe us an apology?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
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  (not, ray franz owes us an apology) .

  (ok lets add this on)do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?at what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?

  this may have been discussed before but i'm not sure.so sorry if it has.

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  sleepy

  Thi chi

  Sorry for the part I played.

  Actually I've never met you so I don't know if I effected your life in any way as a witness.But if any talk I gave or any advise I gave did harm anyones life I am very sorry and would apologise for that rather than blame everyone else.By the way I have apologised to people I effected when given the oppurtunity.

  Notice my post is a question, it has a big ? after it.

  I'm not spanking.
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  Does Ray Franz owe us an apology?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (not, ray franz owes us an apology) .

  (ok lets add this on)do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?at what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?

  this may have been discussed before but i'm not sure.so sorry if it has.

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  Francois

  "I frankly find the question impertinent."

  Why , he is just a human like the rest of us, but his actions effected many times more people.Why is to ask this question disrespectful?
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  Does Ray Franz owe us an apology?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (not, ray franz owes us an apology) .

  (ok lets add this on)do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?at what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?

  this may have been discussed before but i'm not sure.so sorry if it has.

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  sleepy

  "Wouldn't this same accountability fall on you too, for whatever part you played in spreading the word of lies?"

  Yes of course.
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  Was your witness worship acceptable to God?

  by sleepy in

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  foir those who believe in a god.. do you feel that your worship as a jehovahs witness was acceptable to god?.

  if yes, then why did you leave?.

  if not, that means god has a certain satandard of worship, how do you know you meet that now?

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  sleepy

  Foir those who believe in a god.

  Do you feel that your worship as a Jehovahs witness was acceptable to God?

  If yes, then why did you leave?

  If not, that means God has a certain satandard of worship, how do you know you meet that now?
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  Does Ray Franz owe us an apology?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (not, ray franz owes us an apology) .

  (ok lets add this on)do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?at what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?

  this may have been discussed before but i'm not sure.so sorry if it has.

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  sleepy

  Does Ray Franz owe us an apology? (Not, Ray Franz owes us an apology)

  (Ok lets add this on)Do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?At what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?

  This may have been discussed before but I'm not sure.So sorry if it has.

  Anyway does Ray Franz who was once part of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses,that governed our lives, owe us an apology for the part he played?.Maybe he has apologised, (Though I can't remmeber that standing out in his books, but I might have missed it)or was he just a victim like us?Should he do more to help witnesses, or has he done enough or is there no more he could have done?

  Does he share in the blame for the governing bodies disissions that resulted in the deaths of witnesses due to refusal of blood , persecusion(Malawi)etc.

  Have you forgiven him?

  If we do hold him partly responable, how do you feel about your part in preaching the message of jehovahs witnesses, are you responsable for other peoples deaths and messed up lives,by say, taking a stand on blood and giving talks praising pioneering ;and encouraging others to do the same?

  Edited by - sleepy on 1 August 2002 11:47:17

  Edited by - sleepy on 1 August 2002 12:28:11
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  hands up ex-pioneers

  by sleepy in

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  so how many here were pioneers?

  ha ha ha.

  i used up my teenage years pioneering, good thing i didn't go to college or university i could be well educated and in a good job.poo.

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  Matty sorry regular-aux don't count.Oh ok then yes they do , actually I was only a regular aux .

  So then what did you do to count your time, at what time exactly would you count?

  I would start time from first door knocked to last, and then minus any breaks.I used to find the calls that were spread furthest out and walk to them, even thought I knew they probably werent going to be in.

  I had trouble doing many RV's as I never believed anyone was that intrested, which made it hard to get my time in.

  Now I can see that the whole idea of counting time was stupid.If anytime was to be counted it should have been from the time I washed and put my suit on to the time I took it off.I wish I'd thought of that then.
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  what did god do before he did anything?

  by sleepy in

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  i remmember the idea that god has been around forever, to be a bit confusing as a witness.. does this really make sense?.

  heres two reason why it doesn't.. 1.what was the first thing god did?.

  so either it wasn't the first thing , if there is not a first thing god did see point 2,or god had a begining.

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  sleepy

  I remmember the idea that god has been around forever, to be a bit confusing as a witness.

  Does this really make sense?

  heres two reason why it doesn't.

  1.What was the first thing god did?

  So what did he do before that?

  So either it wasn't the first thing , if there is not a first thing god did see point 2,or god had a begining

  2.If you have been around since infinate time in the past , there would always be infinity untill now, so we would never get to this point in time.
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  hands up ex-pioneers

  by sleepy in

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  so how many here were pioneers?

  ha ha ha.

  i used up my teenage years pioneering, good thing i didn't go to college or university i could be well educated and in a good job.poo.

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  sleepy

  So how many here were pioneers?

  Ha Ha Ha

  I used up my teenage years pioneering, good thing I didn't go to college or university I could be well educated and in a good job.poo.

  Kind of ironic how the "spiritualy weak" actually got the best deal.

  Edited by - sleepy on 31 July 2002 8:47:20
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  I once was a Jehovahs witness

  by sleepy in

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  i once was a jehovahs witness.

  who believed some crazy things, now get this.

  soon will come armageddon, to kill you all dead then.

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  sleepy

  I once was a Jehovahs witness

  who believed some crazy things, now get this

  soon will come armageddon, to kill you all dead then

  the new order , life forever in blissness

  abstain from all blood,christmas, bithdays and stuff

  or the birds will have your insides for breakfast

  but scratching my head, I thought it's better instead

  to live life now, and sod all that business