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5Is this a rip off or what?!!!
by sleepy ini've been meaning to write this for a while but haven't had time .anyway about a week ago i returned from my holidays which included a trip to fance were i have relatives .during this breack my wife and i decided it might be intresting to vist the international convention staged in paris .. my wife had previously booked accommodation through the society via her mothers congregation in france.. the cost for 3 nights in 2 star accommodation was 15 pounds ($20) each a night.
which was less the the usuall price in this hotel.. i belive through making bulk booking the society gets discount.. imagine my supprise when i found out that poeple who had booked from britian through the society had paid over 600 pounds ($900) for 6 nights in 2 star accommodation not including flighs or meals.. where did all this money go ?.
i dont know how much poeple paid from other countries but i estimate that there were a least 10,000 brothers from foriegn lands.. if the true cost of accommodation was closer to 100 pounds a head they made 500 pounds profit on each pearson thats 5,000,000 pounds.
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letter to the society
by sleepy inhere is a rough version of a letter i intend to send to the society regarding an article in the july 1 2001 watchtower about doubt.. any suggestions on how i can improve the letter?.
also what are the odds on getting in big trouble in sending this?.
dear friend ,.
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how do i show my letter?
by sleepy ini've writen a letter to the society on microsoft home publishing and i want to show it here but can't work out how to do it .. does anyone know?
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Should you write to the society?
by sleepy inwhen someone comes across something in the "truth" that disterbs them should they write to the society or is this pointless?.
i think they should write for several reasons.. 1.you must give them at least a chance to present their side of the story.it is no good just relying for others for your information you can not be shure what the society really belive until you hear it from them yourself.. wasn't just relying on the judgement of others part of what got you in in the first place.. its good for us to try and advance in our way of thinking during life and part of this involves doing our own research which is not complete until we go to the source of our conflict.. also if you bring up the point with someone it gives more weight to your argument if mention you wrote to the society and this was their answer.. 2. the more poeple that write in with the same points the more difficult it will be for them to hold to an erroneous stand.. the more different people that write the more ways of expresing the point will be heared different ways will make sence to different people.. remember its not just the same person answering all letters but different people who will have to do research an answer your point, which could make them think.. (this assumes that the society is genuinely mistaken and not corupt, although it could be a bit of both).
of cource if you do not want hassle off your elders dont tell the society you are a brother/sister or just give a different name ,prehaps you could give the address of your place of work or somewhere else if you don't want to be traced easily.. in my case i just made it sound like i was an intrested person.. or you could make out that you need some help in presenting the societies case to an intrested person who has quetions.
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Franz 3rd best hebrew scholar in world?
by sleepy inrecently at my local district convention it was stated by a speaker that he had met someone on the the ministry who had told him that fred ranz was one of the three best hebrew scholars in the world.. this didn't sound true to me for several reasons, but could anyone with knowledge of this suject shed some light on the matter?
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Is it right to get people out of the org?
by sleepy ini gather that most on this forum would agree that jehovah's witneeses do not have the truth they cliam to have.. but to what degree do we inform friends and relatives who are still belivers of this.. for many (assuming they come to the same conclution) it would come as a relief , but for others could it do more harm than good?.
for instance an elder in my hall recently died from cancer which he had suffered from for about a year.. what kept him going and happy through pain and suffering was the belief that he was in the true religion favored by god and would recieve a resurection.. imagine the heart break he would had suffered if people had convinced him that the society was a sham.. imagine others say like my parents who are in their 50's and have no pension who look forward to the future paradise.. would it be right for me to covince them that thier dreams for for future are all flawed.. i am still in my 20's and i'm not the type to get depreesed and all that, but i have to admit to being gutted when the truth dawned on me that all my hopeds and beliefs were likely wrong.. but can we be certain to such an absolute degree that all that witnesses belive is false?.
do we really have the right to preach with coviction to others that they are wrong, just like we preached when we belived?.
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fuzzy logic
by sleepy ini read this statment from you know in relation to the islealits spending 215 or 430 years in eygpt,.
"the way to harmonise this seeming contradiction".
witnesses and others must wake up to this flawed style of reasoning.. if a witness notices a seeming contradiction in the bible or by the society the first thing they do is seek to harmonise it.. they do this by saying , the bible is true or the governing body is true, therfore the contradiction must be wrong and an explianation that can unite the contradiction must be right.. what they don't seem to want do is modify their inital premise , that the bible or gb is right,in the light of any new point that may contradict the first.. i feel it is wrong to draw a conclution on a point and to there after in life make everything fit into it, no matter which way you have to twist things for your world view to stay unified.
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Why do you belive jw's are true religion?
by sleepy inlast sundays watchtower 1/6/01 pg 13 p4 ,under the subheading of " who today have gods backing?
" said "granted, true religion does make people better.
but does the fact that a religion produces better people in itself prove that it has god's backing?
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how longs a year?
by sleepy ini've seen a lot of talk on various sites about the gentile times belief of the witnesses.
one thing i haven't found any info on is how the society calculates the lenght of a year.. please let me explain.. the 7 times in daniel are suppossed to represent 7 years.. but for some reason these are special years as they are not a year at all but 360 days.so they call this a prophetic year because of course it isn't a year.. now back in bible times no one knew how long a real year was which is the time it takes the earth to go round the sun ,so they had different ways to estimate a year , mostly nations including israel and babylon used lunar calanders ,they had about 354 days .so you ended up running behind real years so you needed lots of leap years to catch up.. this brings me to the next point.
the society says that after you change 7 times into 7 years of 360 days you most now change a day into a year.but of what lenght are those years?.
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strange quote from creator book
by sleepy incouldn't help noticing this strange quote in the creator book last week.. on pg.
167 p 1 it says "one buddhist woman said: " i thought it did not make sense to have to suffer for something i was born with but about which i knew nothing.
i had to accept it as my destiny "she found this explanation of suffering unsatisfactory.
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