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everyone voice in

by peacefulpete in

please express in 0ne to three words why you are on this web site.

: angry,confused and desperate,lonely,seeking affirmation,saving souls,to expose evil,curious about apostates, like being naughty, etc.

please limit comment to 3 or less words.

Is the GB and FDS the same thing?

by William Penwell in

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friends

this may have come up before in discussion so my apologies if it old stuff.

interesting point that the district overseer seemed to make a distinction between the governing body and the faithful and discreet slave class.

when i was growing up it was always the same thing.

I've read it explained by the WTS that the Governing Body are made up of men ( 12 maybe? I don't remember how many men are on the GB)who are anointed who REPRESENT the Faithful and Discreet slave as a whole. It was also worded as follows: " The Faithful and Discreet slave and it's Governing Body"

I'll see if i can find the references and post them here.

peace,

gwen

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SIN WILL SET YOU FREE

by somebody in

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friends

i was sitting here one day, after reading a confusing conversation that was going on on one of the jw only sites, actually feeling sorry for jws in certain situations.

since i have found love , i have a whole different outlook on life, and my heart goes out to those who feel that they have to carry the heavy yolk of the wts.

some jws are stuck not being able to date or remarry because their spouses had left and divorced them and then refused to see them ever again.

somebody

Either the couple is married in God's eyes, and can have sex. Or they are not married, and therefore free to marry someone else. Where in the Bible is a third state, pseudo-marriage?

Richard,

Good question.

The Watchtower Society fixed it so that NO MATTER WHAT, a person gets screwed.

peace,

gwen

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SIN WILL SET YOU FREE

by somebody in

jw
friends

i was sitting here one day, after reading a confusing conversation that was going on on one of the jw only sites, actually feeling sorry for jws in certain situations.

since i have found love , i have a whole different outlook on life, and my heart goes out to those who feel that they have to carry the heavy yolk of the wts.

some jws are stuck not being able to date or remarry because their spouses had left and divorced them and then refused to see them ever again.

somebody

Greetings all,

I was sitting here one day, after reading a confusing conversation that was going on on one of the JW ONLY sites, actually feeling sorry for JWs in certain situations. Since I have found love , I have a whole different outlook on life, and my heart goes out to those who feel that they have to carry the heavy yolk of the WTS.

Some JWs are stuck not being able to date or remarry because their spouses had left and divorced them and then refused to see them ever again. One man eventually could not even find his ex-wife, and therefore, there would only be one way for him to date a "sister" that he had met and felt was the one woman he had been waiting for all his life. I'll get to the only way he could after I show you some views of the WTS. Here is "spiritual food" I found in a Question From Readers in a Watchtower. It was a female writing to the society that a brother ( who's wife divorced him after he became a member of the JW sect ) she knew was dating someone, even though he knew he wasn't "scriptually free" to do so because he was only "legally divorced". She wanted to "help" him
(yeah...right). Actually, here is the question rather than going on to explain:

"When a friend of mine became a Christian, his wife divorced him and refuses even to see him. Though he realizes from the Bible that he is not free to remarry, he has been dating someone. What does the Bible indicate about such dating, and how can I best help him?"

Here is what the JWs leaders said: And I've highlited certain areas about how this "brother' was suppose to act towards the ex-wife ( who is still his wife in God's eyes ).

8/1/1980 WT

In the eyes of the government, once such a divorce becomes final the two persons are "single" again. But God's Word presents a different view. Jesus said: "Whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication [porneia, gross sexual immorality], and marries another commits adultery." (Matt. 19:9) So if a government grants a legal divorce when no Scriptural basis for it exists, and no immorality has since occurred, God still views the two as man and wife.
This knowledge helps Christians to appreciate how a person who is not Scripturally free to remarry should conduct himself or herself. It should be just as he or she would act if still legally married and living with a mate. While particularly referring to marital relations, Proverbs 5:15-21 makes it clear that a married man should not pursue romantic interests in other women: 'Be faithful to your own wife and give your love to her alone. Be happy with your wife and find your joy with the girl you married. Let her charms keep you happy; let her surround you with her love. Why should you give your love to another?

Obviously, the guy CAN'T possibly conduct himself in the way of being happy with the woman who still is supposedly seen as his wife in God's eyes, or find any joy with her, not let her surround him with love if she "refuses to even see him". So that advice was just downright stupid.

Now supposing that this poor guy took the advice and he somehow found his ex-wife and he "acted as he was still legally married and living with the mate" whom he is "still married in God's eyes" to. What would happen if they in time resumed a sexual relationship? One would think that that would be fine if they kept in mind that the WTS said that if a couple are legally divorced, but not scriptually, then they are still husband and wife in God's eyes...right?

Not suprizingly, considering we ARE talking about the advice given by a printing factory here, that would be wrong too.

Elder's rule book/PAY ATTENTION TO THE FLOCK BOOK

Unit 5 c

A divorced couple (even if only legally divorced) who
have sex relations with each other commit fornication.
(Heb. 13:4; w82 9/lp.31)

Suppose that a JW gets divorced legally, and the person they divorced decides thay are going to stay single and lead a celibate life for the rest of his or her life. She or he has had it with marriage and just enjoys the freedom that goes along with singleness too much to ever want to marry again. That's all fine and dandy but what about the ex-spouse who finds themselves lonely for love and meets and KNOWS that a certain individual is the right one for them? They found their soulmate!!! Do they have to suffer because of the ex-spouses decision for to live a celibate and single life? They don't have too. According to their JW leaders, SIN WILL SET THEM FREE !!!

again...in unit 5c in the flocking book:

"A person who commits adultery after having been
divorced by his or her mate on unscriptural grounds would
be Scripturally free to remarry, since he or she had already
been rejected by the mate that obtained the divorce. "

Of course, keep in mind that you may be punished by being handed over to Satan for about a year, but you can always pray that armegeddon doesn't arrive during the months you are handed to Satan by the members of your congregation.

So..at the end,,,I tried to sum all this up and heres what I gathered that the GB over the JWs is feeding to it's flock as to what their rules to those who are only legally divorced are on the subject...

Ways to get a scriptual divorce according to the WTS:

1. Have sex with the person you are unscriptually divorced from (leaving the two of you still married to in God's eyes) if you can talk them into it, because then it somehow becomes fornication [porneia, gross sexual immorality] in God's eyes.

2. Have sex with the one you want to marry if they will agree to it because then it would be commiting adultry, even though you are divorced.

3. Just go ahead and marry each other because that that will be commiting adultry or fornication no matter what you do. ( for at least the one who was legally divorced )

And here is my advice to JWs out here who are in love but face a judging and condemming meeting by their elders if they even date or marry.

Ignore the Watchtower's unreasonableness and stupidity and don't let go of love!!!!

Anyone else confused yet?

peace,
gwen

Edited by - somebody on 4 February 2003 11:41:52

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Would you ban the Witnesses?

by Joker10 in

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friends

if it were up to you, would you ban the jw's?

would you go that far?

somebody

It depends on what you are asking if I would ban them at or in doing. If I could ban them from coming to my door when my kids were teens, I would. I tried to, but their leaders have gone to court many times to fight for their "religious rights to go doo-to-door directing people to their organization", but their leaders will NOT RESPECT our religous rights in believing and trying to practice that we DO NOT WANT them coming to our doors. To OUR HOMES and attempting to direct OUR TEENAGERS. I called the Watchtower Society INC and gave my full name and address to THREE DIFFERENT people that I was tossed to on the phone and explianed that I DON'T WANT YOU AT MY DOORSTEP TRYING TO PLAY ON AND USE THE EMOTIONS MY CHILDREN ARE GOING THROUGH AS TEENAGERS STUCK IN BETWEEN CHILDHOOD AND ADULTHOOD TO RAKE THEM INTO YOUR SECT. It did NO GOOD and THEY DID NOT RESPECT MY RELGIOUS BELIEFS AND DID NOT ALLOW ME THAT MUCH CONSIDERATION.

So for any who have teens such as 14-16 that are home alone sometimes, I would suggest that you send a CERTIFIED LETTER to the Watchtower Society INC. so that you can protect children's lives and the WTS would be FORCED TO RESPECT YOUR RELIGIOUS RIGHTS LEGALLY, AS A PARENT. State that you do not want them at your door and that you will take legal action if any JWs even speak to your children at the door of your own home. Save the reciept from your certified letter and put it in a safe place. It's worth the effort because if your children get sucked into this cult, they will severe family ties for this organization.

The Wathctower Society is ONLY concerned about money, so therefore, the only way they would respect your wishes as to what goes on at YOUR OWN DOOR, IN REGARDS TO YOUR OWN CHILDREN, is if money is involved. If you say that you will take legal action, that will make them respond. And they will MAKE SURE they call your local congregation and inform them to stay off your property and to leave your children alone.

peace,

gwen

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What REALLY Happens During A Judicial Meeting

by minimus in

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friends

you're in front of 3 elders and are being asked all types of questions.

you are afraid that you might get disfellowshipped.

the elders tell you that you must speak the truth, since jehovah hears all and since jehovah hates a liar.

somebody

After reading everyone's expereineces here, is it safe to say that there can be no such thing as a hung jury on JW judicial committee? And that if there is a hung jury on a GB committee ( when voting on what acts that will be considered a "sin" according to the organization) meeting then the "sin"/"act that would not need "counselling" becomes a conscience matter for followers/adherents?

peace,

gwen

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improper conduct

by zev in

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friends

doubtless many of us have been to assemblies, and every may the km would come out with an insert about what you were expected to do and how to act.. reviewing the km's over the years , you can see the negative positve "councel".

how to dress, how to act, howt to tip!.

after reading this, doesn't it just want to make you run to attend the next d.c. ?

somebody

HEY!

I LOVE that shirt on my zev! It brings out the beautiful sexy arms and chest of the nice looking guy, MY zev!!!

Here's a closer look for ya'll!

peace,

gwen

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Loyalty to who or what?

by ozziepost in

a question in the current written review asserts that "the loyalty that marks jehovah's organisation transcends every human relationship, such as that of close flesh-and-blood relatives.

" - question 35 .

note that loyalty that "transcends every human relationship" is not to god, but to the 'organisation'.

somebody

Ozzie and all,

Interesting.

And I'd like to add how developing the loyalty to the organization first begins.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE INSTRUCTED BY THIER "IMPERFECT HUMAN LEADERS" RIGHT FROM INITIAL CONTACT TO DIRECT ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES ( MEANING THE ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE ORGANIZATION IS). So the door-to-door preaching that is done is NOT TEACHING AND DIRECTING PEOPLE TO CHRIST, AND NOT ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS CLAIMED.

This really says what the message is that is instucted to be preached. It starts right from the day a JW shows up at your door. It happens so quickly that people don't realize what's happening to them and what their brain is being fed.

km 4/93 3-4

"To the House of Jehovah Let Us Go" (And the title if honest, should read: To The House of the Watchtower Soceity Let Us Direct Others)

3 Direct Interest to the Organization:

From our initial contact with interested persons, we should be directing their attention to the organization. While we may be able personally to locate scriptures and explain fundamental doctrines, we are not the source of such knowledge . Everything we have learned has come from the organization, channeled through the slave class that supplies food at the proper time. (Matt. 24:45-47) From the start, new ones need to realize that pure worship involves more than just us or even the local congregation; there is an organized, theocratic, worldwide societyoperating under Jehovahs direction. 4 The direction we receive originates with Jehovah, who has promised to guide and teach us. (Ps. 32:8; Isa. 54:13) ....

So if the organized,theocratic, worldwide society is operating under God's direction, one would think that the instruction would be disseminated primarily through the Bible, right?

WRONG!

The article continues.....

" This instruction is disseminated primarily through our literature. If we can help interested ones develop a high regard for the literature, recognizing it as a source of lifesaving instruction , they will be far more likely to read and apply its message than to discard it quickly. "

There ya have it. They consider their own writings to be lifesaving. And instuct it's followers to go door-to door directing others to become loyal to it.

They go therefore making baptized publishers, baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and in association with their organization.

peace,

gwen

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So JW can't receive it but can they give it?

by Jaina in

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i am a catholic woman who is marrying a jw.....i have posted on this subject alone extensively on the adults and disagreements board so that is not really what i want to discuss here..question is about blood.. my daughter from a previous marriage is type a+ and her father lives 2 states away....now my fiance the jw has the same type blood as her as i do not..i am o+ .....so can a jw donate blood in case of emergency?.

can a jw give blood for testing.....in case of illness or whatever?.

somebody

AlanF,

what about autologous whole blood, to be used later as whole blood?

Still a no no.

Wasn't it stated that autologous whole blood was accepted by JWs on the blood cards that were published and then taken back before they were distributed to JWs because of the date on them a year ago or so?

peace,

somebody

Edited by - somebody on 31 January 2003 17:11:15

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So JW can't receive it but can they give it?

by Jaina in

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i am a catholic woman who is marrying a jw.....i have posted on this subject alone extensively on the adults and disagreements board so that is not really what i want to discuss here..question is about blood.. my daughter from a previous marriage is type a+ and her father lives 2 states away....now my fiance the jw has the same type blood as her as i do not..i am o+ .....so can a jw donate blood in case of emergency?.

can a jw give blood for testing.....in case of illness or whatever?.

somebody

hi Jaina,

I'd love to say more ,but it has nothing to do with your serious question. Only about your relationship with a JW.

So, please go here and read and pay attention to what AlanF said. This serious subject seems to be somewhat of a secret unless you call the right people in the JW organization. So keep in mind what he said and find and keep the right phone numbers of the people who can give you the life saving advice your might someday need. Keep it by your phone as you would the police and fire department. And give you JW mate the number once you dig and find it. Seems like this subject is not priority enough for the organizational higher-ups to make this information repetative study articles such as they do with the subject of pioneering for the Watchtower INC printing business.

Here is the link:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=45137&site=3

peace,

somebody