just wondering if there is anything in r. franz' books that jw's might disagree with, assuming you feel free enough to read them.
let's talk.. tr.
edited by - tr on 8 march 2001 2:2:42
larc,
Thank you for those points. I'm going to have to read the book over again. I was thinking about doing that anyway. It's been some time since I've read it. I do remember thinking that he still supportted the organization "to a great extent". Could be just the nice way he wrote it all that gave me that impression.
peace,
somebody
PS...have you read his second book yet?
just wondering if there is anything in r. franz' books that jw's might disagree with, assuming you feel free enough to read them.
let's talk.. tr.
edited by - tr on 8 march 2001 2:2:42
TR,
zev is active, and he's going to read Ray's fist book. Maybe he'll add to this with his opionion when he's finished. It's been about 2 years, maybe more, since I've read COC, but from what I remember of it,I agree with philo. That's why I disagreed with what Fred hall said about it. Fred was trying to say that Ray "society bashed" in the book. I didn't see that at all. Ray told the truth about the inner workings of the WBTS, but did still seem to support it to a great extent. In his heart, he didn't really though, or else he would have gone back to be reinstated. As far as I figure, he had been involved for SO many years of his life, that maybe he still felt like to put the society down, was eqaul to putting God himslef down. He still couldn't differentiate the two. As far as In Search Of Christian Freedom, I haven't read it yet, so I can't say that it was supportive of dub leadership by the time he wrote it.
Were any of you still active JWs when you read the book (s) ? If so, how did it effect you? I hadn't been active for years before I read it, but it made me angry to the point of tears, and sad to the point of tears anyway.
peace,
somebody
Edited by - somebody on 8 March 2001 14:53:8
good afternoon all,.
after reading so many stories about people separating from their husbands/wives once the one of them stops attending meetings, i was wondering how someone could tell their spouse when they first starting learning the truth about the truth.
i know there are couples who got out together on this board.
Just saying thank-you all, for all of your thoughts and opinions on this topic. I appreciate all of them.
Thanks again. :-)
peace,
somebody
Edited by - somebody on 6 March 2001 17:30:17
i received this e mail from a faithful dub who is all excited.
i got to thinking about it and now i am excited too.
since i am not going to change a dubs mind about the blood issue (brooklyn has to do that) at least i can try to get information out there so that those who insist on following the b.s.
Hi NikL,
This certainly would be a safer procedure that using donated blood. But there are repercussions to it, just like any procedure. If it was and EMERGENCY operation, such as for an accident victim, then there would be no time for this....
"a patient would first
undergo a thorough evaluation involving hematologists, internal medicine specialists, anesthesiologists as well as the cardiac surgeons, in order to determine if it is safe to undergo the procedure."...or this...
"Several weeks before surgery patients are injected three times a week with epogen, a genetically engineered drug that stimulates production of red blood cells in bone marrow."
and as far as this goes,..."Any amount of blood lost during surgery is captured and returned to the patient using a sophisticated operating room device called the Cellsaver, which is typically used during transplant operations to minimize donor blood requirements."
I'm not sure that the WBTS say that it's ok with Jehovah to have one's own whole blood tranfused back into them. It would have to have certain fractions taken out first. So...the news might not make any difference at all. :-( You could ask your friend about it.
medical technolgy has come a long way over the years, and my personal opinion is that it's great news. And a safer procedure in the sense that you know it's your own blood doctors would be putting back into your body.
Thank you for the information.
peace,
somebody
Edited by - somebody on 6 March 2001 8:36:43
do you find normal that:.
it is interesting to point out that nearly a year after ceasing its policy of .
disfellowshipping jehovahs witnesses who accept blood or the blood.
That's easy. Because they had to be sneaky about those kind of doctrine changes. Why? because PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY NEEDLESSLY DIED. How would you feel if you lost a family member 5 years ago, BEFORE the change? The WBTS thought of that question and so they snuck the change in. Just like the when they decided to feed followers new spiritual stuff regarding organ transplants were no longer considered cannibalism. Seems if the change effects life or death, they prefer to stick the new light in the "questions from readers" section instead of making followers aware of it by making it a repetative study article. If followeres were made aware of such changes, they might leave and no longer support the WBTS business. What do you think is more important to the WBTS? Peoples lives? Or loss of money/members? I'll put it this way too. The blood fraction doctrine is VERY important. It's a matter of life and death to followers who are in desperate need. Almost all JWs don't know what fractions of blood Jehovah says is ok, and which fractions Jehovah says are not ok. This is important enough for the WBTS to make repetative study articles about, so that followers KNOW and UNDERSTAND it all. Have they? NO. They would rather keep repeating over and over and over and aver again and again and again, how great a privilege it is to go door-to-door, collecting donations from people in exchange for their printed stuff.
You raised a very good question! One that struck a nerve in me, and one that more JWs should raise themselves.
peace,
somebody
Edited by - somebody on 5 March 2001 20:27:27
Edited by - somebody on 5 March 2001 20:30:19
good afternoon all,.
after reading so many stories about people separating from their husbands/wives once the one of them stops attending meetings, i was wondering how someone could tell their spouse when they first starting learning the truth about the truth.
i know there are couples who got out together on this board.
Good afternoon all,
After reading so many stories about people separating from their husbands/wives once the one of them stops attending meetings, I was wondering how someone could tell their spouse when they first starting learning the truth about the truth. I know there are couples who got out together on this board. How did you break it to your spouses what you were feeling and learning, without having them run to the elders or view you as an apostate? Is it better to tell your spouse what your reading right away? Or is it better to hold everything in till your ready to explode? I've never had to deal with this because I walked away at a young age. I married someone who had never heard of JWs, but after spending time together, he started asking me what planet I was from, constantly. :-) I consider myself very fortunate that I've never had to be in that situation.
peace,
somebody
it would appear that certain dastardly husbands have been making witticisms at the expense of their dear wives.. don't look innocent, we all know who you are....... expatbrit.. husband quotes:.
i just didn't know her first name was always.. i haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months.
i don't like to interrupt her.. marriage is a 3-ring circus: engagement ring, wedding ring, and.
unanswered, hi :-)
ok..so the first 2 of mine might have been in poor or good taste, depending on what people have lived through. The last one was great though. :-)
peace,
somebody...crossing the line once again.
Edited by - somebody on 3 March 2001 19:0:48
it would appear that certain dastardly husbands have been making witticisms at the expense of their dear wives.. don't look innocent, we all know who you are....... expatbrit.. husband quotes:.
i just didn't know her first name was always.. i haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months.
i don't like to interrupt her.. marriage is a 3-ring circus: engagement ring, wedding ring, and.
waiting...I'd be keeling over with that line if I walked in your shoes. Is it ok if I e-mail you? I have more to say.
peace,
somebody
it would appear that certain dastardly husbands have been making witticisms at the expense of their dear wives.. don't look innocent, we all know who you are....... expatbrit.. husband quotes:.
i just didn't know her first name was always.. i haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months.
i don't like to interrupt her.. marriage is a 3-ring circus: engagement ring, wedding ring, and.
I gotta add something. :-)
A Lady goes to Toys R Us to buy a Barbie doll. She tells the clerk that she needs to buy a Barbie but doesn't know what's available or price. The clerk replies "we have Tennis Barbie and she's $28" Lady asks "well, anything else?" "We have an equestrian Barbie, and she's $28". Lady asks "anything else?" "Well, we have divorced Barbie and she's $250" The lady replies "I don't understand why divorced Barbie is so expensive. The others were only $28. What is so special about divorced Barbie?" The clerk replied "Simple, she comes with Ken's car, his house, and all his other stuff."
A woman accompanied her husband to the doctor's office. After his checkup, the doctor called the wife into his office alone. He said, "Your husband is suffering from a very severe disease, combined with horrible stress. If you don't do the following, your husband will surely die." "Each morning, fix him a healthy breakfast. Be pleasant, and make sure he is in a good mood. For lunch make him a nutritious meal. For dinner prepare an especially nice meal for him. Don't burden him with chores, as he probably had a hard day. Don't discuss your problems with him, it will only make his stress worse. And most importantly. make love with your husband several times a week and satisfy his every whim." If you can do this for the next 10 months to a year, I think your husband will regain his health completely. On the way home, the husband asked his wife. "What did the doctor say?" "You're going to die," she replied.
One day three guys were out walking, and they found a lamp. So, they rubbed the lamp and a genie poped out. He says "I'll grant you each one wish." These guys weren't so bright, so they all wanted to be smarter. The first guy says "I wish I was 10 times smarter." The genie says "POOF! You're 10 times smarter." The second guy says "I wish to to be 100 times smarter." and the genie says "POOF! You're 100 times smarter." The last guy says "I wish to be 1000 times smarter" And the genie says "POOF!! You're a woman!!"
this forum is great for my needs because i specifically need more sex.. i realise this might seem a little forward.
but other forums have strict rules about what is allowed and what is not allowed.
so here in a 'sex' forum surely anything goes!
thanks, philo. I'll be looking for the book.
peace,
somebody
