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wwhy is wholewheat toast allowed on this board?

by dustrabbit in

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yeah, why is some dipf&&ck named whole wheat allowed on this board?

i say we toast it have it for breakfast

SpiderMonkey

Are you so preoccupied with your hate of the Society that you don't even see the blatant verbal abuse of a woman? Even if you don't agree with the scriptual admonition about women teaching publicly, do two wrongs make a right?

Sorry, WholeWheat, but you've yet to prove a 'second wrong' in this matter. Re-read your *entire* thread about "abusing women," and this time try engaging your brain beforehand.

As for my feelings toward the "Society"... Hate? Maybe. I posted this a few days ago: "I do feel anger toward the borg, a bit of resentment... But not bitterness........I hate the borg with a passion, but I don't dwell on it"... And one of the things I hate about the borg, when I stop and think about it (not "PREOCCUPIED with" hate; did you catch that point?) is their blatant verbal abuse of women. Wrapped up in pretty terminology like "just as honorable a place as," when what they mean is "aren't allowed to do it even if they want to, and are perfectly capable of."

The scriptural admonition? Even if I took the Bible as the Word Of God (TM), and I don't, I think I would at this point have better sense than to include the writings of the "apostle" Paul in the canon.

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Apostate "Daily Text"

by GentlyFeral in

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ok, here's a brilliant idea.

select a quotation from a worldly author that has blown your mind or changed your life or at least made you think.

the stranger the better, but let's stay more or less comprehensible, ok?

SpiderMonkey

I'm not going to comment at length on this, but here's the first thing that comes to mind, from "Urban Shaman," by Serge Kahili King, PHD... On the subject of Hawaiian Shamanism, aka "Huna." These are direct quotes, but they are basically just the subject headers; there is a lot of commentary on each one in the book. The "strange" words are Hawaiian.

"The Seven Shaman Principles...

IKE - The World Is What You Think It Is... Corollary: Everything is a dream... All systems are arbitrary...

KALA - There Are No Limits... Corollary: Everything is connected... Anything is possible... Separation is a useful illusion...

MAKIA - Energy Flows Where Attention Goes... Corollary: Attention goes where energy flows... Everything is energy...

MANAWA - Now Is The Moment Of Power... Corollary: Everything is relative... Power increases with sensory attention...

ALOHA - To Love Is To Be Happy With... Corollary: Love increases as judgment decreases... Everything is alive, aware, and responsive...

MANA - All Power Comes From Within... Corollary: Everything has power... Power comes from authority...

PONO - Effectiveness Is The Measure Of Truth... Corollary: There is always another way to do anything."

from Urban Shaman, pp. 53-78

A lot of this seems really trite when you just look at these basic statements, I know. But they are very deep principles, and King goes into them in depth, and shows that they are more or less vital to living an above average life. I might post more on this later on, but for now these are the basics of my Apostate Topic Of Interest

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JW Dad talks to me,talks to me not

by mommy1 in

my jw dad calls me every once in awhile and is very friendly.

i have even went to his house for dinner,went shopping with him and his wife.

then months go by and i call he is cold and distant.so i figure he doesn't want a relationship.

SpiderMonkey

Mommy, I have been through sort of the same thing with my JW mother & sister (my brother seems to be the only one w/ the courage of his convictions; he wrote me one "goodbye" letter & hasn't tried to contact me since). They called or wrote me every 6 months or so, letting me know how their lives were & asking me about mine (I'd moved about 2000 miles away, so not quite the same sitch, but similar). Then *I* tried calling my mother a couple of times, and got the whole "you have to come back to the truth" lecture. After the next few times they called or wrote me, I just decided to do unto them as they do unto me... My sister wrote to say she was getting married, and invited me to the wedding; I wrote back saying, "What's the point? I won't know anyone there, including you, and won't be able to go to the reception, such that we could rectify that situation." Same thing with my mom; my dad had divorced her, and she was getting re-married. She called to ask if I wanted to go to the wedding (in both cases, they offerred to pay my airfare). Why bother? My sister, over the next couple of years, sent me those cutesy-pootsy cards announcing the births of her 2 children, along with short letters. That was the last straw; I wrote to both of them saying that, if they didn't want me in their lives in a *real* way, then they should prove that they really have faith in their beliefs and just stop trying to weasel around the shunning thing. Every time I've seen them since then (I've since moved back), I've tried to be friendly and polite to them & their families, and they end up leaving before anything significant can be said by anyone.

Not saying this is what you should do in your case; just that personally, I just don't see the point of carrying on a relationship with someone (*anyone*) who thinks you are birdseed, and not worthy of association on the basis of who you are.

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wwhy is wholewheat toast allowed on this board?

by dustrabbit in

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yeah, why is some dipf&&ck named whole wheat allowed on this board?

i say we toast it have it for breakfast

SpiderMonkey

WholeWheat said,

I am not leaving, I said 'good riddance' to the likes of you, dumb-dumb. How many times did you disrupt the meetings and the police were called. Did you ever talk to yourself while in the restroom at the Kingdom Hall during the meeting?? You are insane!! Did you want to get molested but nobody was interested?? No takers here!!!!

So much for 'loving your enemies & praying for those persecuting you.' WW *does* stoop to name-calling.

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Popularity Contest

by kenpodragon in

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when i was in high school i always remember the "popular group.

" the ones that had the best looks, the nicest clothes and the life that everyone wanted.

oh how i longed for just one day to be a popular one, and to not be the person in the shadows.

SpiderMonkey

Then it happened, I finally became Popular, and you know what I wanted? I wanted to step back into the shadow, so that no one could see me anymore. ... So much of my life was about getting to the top, and yet happiness only began when I went back down to the bottom.

That was my experience, too, Dragon. Pioneering, Bethel, being an MS was all a waste of time to me; I spent it trying to get people to leave me alone. While I was at Bethel, I ditched meetings & field service on a regular basis, because I was just sick and tired of being seen and praised. Who needs it? In the end, what matters is how you feel about yourself! Having other people view you as their idol only cheapens their own lives, and makes you feel sick for them.

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wwhy is wholewheat toast allowed on this board?

by dustrabbit in

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yeah, why is some dipf&&ck named whole wheat allowed on this board?

i say we toast it have it for breakfast

SpiderMonkey

'Not' calling a woman a 'bitch' or a 'whore' has nothing to do with being a Jehovah's witness. It has to do with respect

How about 'not' allowing a woman to "teach", even if she's smarter & has better communication skills than the P.O.? Does this have to do with respect?

Very interested to hear your response, Spidey

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Are you more interested now?

by In_between_days in

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i may be alone here, but are you more interested in jw docrines, change of docrines, watchtowers, km's and othe jw publications now that you are an ex member as opposed to when you were a witness?.

i realised this the other day, when i was cleaning out a wardrobe and there was a "knowledge" book, i got so excited and read the whole thing, looking up scriptures as i went when they were quoted.

(this was accompanied by a soundtrack of consistant scoffs, snorts and "what the hells".?").

SpiderMonkey

(off topic, sorry)

Or how about that award winning book, CREATION. Where it has been proven that they LIED and CHANGED WORDS while quoting known scientists.

Lisa, I'm very interested in hearing more about this; it's something I didn't know. Do you have a URL where this was discussed, or more info to share?

many thanks, Spidey

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Inactive 3yr, baptised & "expecting&qu...

by lofromchicago in

i have been a lurker for quite some time now (3 years maybe), and i vist the site a few times every couple of months.

however, a situation has presented itself and i need to talk to someone.

my "story" from 3 years ago is posted on http://www.jwfiles.com/jws-leaving/paul.html for some background info (i'm 26 now).

SpiderMonkey

Chicago: Glad you stuck around; I'm wishing you the best with your child & your life. Kudos for not deciding to "terminate," and for taking responsibility for your actions.

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Would you forget it ALL if you could?

by Perfection Seeker in

if you could "bump your head" and forget all the crap that came with being a witness, would you?

but, in some way, i think i have grown from the experience & have learned from it, and it has made me be a better personl, less judgemental, more tolerant, more open.

but, if there was a magic pill to erase it- hmm......hell yes i'd do it!

SpiderMonkey

I would not be without what I learned from the experience of breaking free.

EXACTLY. I don't think I'd have anything like the depth of character I do today (please excuse the pat on the back; just being honest) if I didn't have to *struggle* against something and prove to myself how strong I can be. From childhood peon (even at age 23) to an adult who takes nothing for granted, and refuses to be pissed on; that makes all the difference in the world.

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Are you more interested now?

by In_between_days in

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i may be alone here, but are you more interested in jw docrines, change of docrines, watchtowers, km's and othe jw publications now that you are an ex member as opposed to when you were a witness?.

i realised this the other day, when i was cleaning out a wardrobe and there was a "knowledge" book, i got so excited and read the whole thing, looking up scriptures as i went when they were quoted.

(this was accompanied by a soundtrack of consistant scoffs, snorts and "what the hells".?").

SpiderMonkey

LOL, Inbetween... when I was DF'd, I threw away EVERYTHING. And now I wish I hadn't, for exactly that reason.

Recently an xjw couple mentioned to me that they still have some old bound volumes in the attic that they keep meaning to throw out, and I actually told them "Don't! Give them to me!" If & when they find those & give them to me, I will have a blast dissecting it & posting whatever juicy contradictions I find...