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  The "Unforgiveable Sin" For Apostate...

  by Perfection Seeker in

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  the last real "meaty" witness discussion i had with my mother, she said "you must have gotten that information from an apostate website, because that is the exact line of reasoning & order that all apostates use" i said that she was rude to call me an apostate, and that i am not afraid to read information, i like to gather facts.

  (oh, by the way- that was before this website, now i am proud of being an apostate :-) thanks everyone) anyway, so i asked her what exactly the "unforgiveable sin" is.

  she said "saying the truth is not the truth" so, i said- so if i say the witnesses aren't the truth, and really believe that, then later on , if i decide it is the truth, jehovah won't forgive me?

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  SpiderMonkey

  I was under the impression that JWs view the "Unforgiveable Sin" as "sinning against the holy spirit." Not just viewing their "truth" as not being truth, but trying to act against the workings of the holy spirit; in their view, this would include trying to convince current JWs to leave the borg, as well as trying to convince their "bible students" not to join, etc. Something along the lines of Jesus' statement that anyone 'stumbling one of these little ones' would be better off with a millstone around their neck, etc. Their definition of "apostate" is not just one who doesn't "believe in the Truth," but one who tries to convince others that it isn't.

  I don't believe in sin at all, though, only good & bad intentions.
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  JW Dad talks to me,talks to me not

  by mommy1 in

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  my jw dad calls me every once in awhile and is very friendly.

  i have even went to his house for dinner,went shopping with him and his wife.

  then months go by and i call he is cold and distant.so i figure he doesn't want a relationship.

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  blacksheep: I love your nickname, btw

  Any insight? Why the HOT and COLD treatment? Seems to be a common theme with witness treatment towards da'd df'd relatives. What gives? Is it intentional? Why can't they just be somewhat consistent? If they DON'T believe they should be talking to me, then fine. Cut off the relationship. But I'm starting to REALLY resent the guessing game. And I DON'T want to subject my kids to it either.

  Personally, I think they are struggling with the contradiction between 1) being "faithful to Jehovah" and 2) being faithful to their own instincts, IE not completely cutting themselves off from their own flesh and blood... They *want* to know (naturally) what's going on in our lives, but the WTS tells them it is wrong to act on this desire. And (naturally) they have no idea exactly where the line is; if you have constant contact with a DF'd/DA'd relative, can you be disfellowshipped (it kind of depends on which body of elders you're dealing with, as well as how discreet you are)? And, if not, does Jehovah view you with enough displeasure that you're not going to make it through Armageddon anyway, despite being a "Witness in good standing?" They are trying to sort through their own feelings, and it is hard for them to have a complete courage of their convictions, because it would be unnatural to simply view you as "one who is dead," as the WTS tells them to do.

  I'm not trying to apologize for them; personally I hate it. I think it's two-faced and gives the lie to their "beliefs." And I don't have kids, but if and when I do, I WILL NOT subject them to ANY association with "family" that considers us to be birdseed. I'm not sure how I would explain the situation to my kids, but I think it would be necessary to somehow explain it, and do so truthfully... Otherwise, when they get older, and find out they have grandparents, and other family out there that they never knew before, you run the risk of those JW family members being the ones to "explain" the situation to them. And then you run the risk of losing your children to the borg As they say, "turnabout is fair play." Your JW family wouldn't let *you* get near their children in any situation where you could "corrupt" them, and I would suggest you take the same view toward them, where *your* children are concerned.

  best wishes, Spidey
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  The wailing wall of the Jews

  by docpalo in

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  recently some hassidic jew who stands and rocks like a catatonic shizoprhenic at the wailing wall in jerusalem noticed some water stains up near the top of the wall.

  immeadiately he summised this to be some holy sign of the messiah.

  but the deputy director of public works says that it most likely is a ruptured pipe or drain.

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  SpiderMonkey

  For centuries, the vast majority of Christians viewed Jews as Christ-killers, fully deserving of mockery, pogroms and whatever other sort of persecution they could come up with. And viewed Muslims, and every sort of Pagan as being worthy of going to hell, not to mention slaughter and/or forced "conversions." Then they wonder why the rest of the world does not love them.

  edited to add: I am not anti-Christian; I am anti-intolerance and anti-ignorance.

  Edited by - spidermonkey on 6 July 2002 16:53:45
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  With Whom Has God Been Patient

  by comforter in

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  god has been patient with evil in the world since the days of adam and eve.

  his day is not tarrying but is right on schedule.

  god, however, is presently showing patience and self-control, not only with the world of unbelievers but also with the congregation of his faithful witnesses.

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  comforter, check out this URL posted by someone a few days ago, and tell me how "vigorously" Jehovah's Witnesses are working on their "shortcomings."

  http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=WO&Date=20020123&Category=JWANDMEDICINE2&ArtNo=201220009&Ref=AR

  Their whole attitude towards an obvious and provable contradiction is to "wait on Jehovah" (i.e. "do nothing").
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  Looking for recruits!

  by The_Bad_Seed in

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  i am starting a zine by the name of asleep!, and am looking for mock articles, humor, cartoons, experiences, anything worthy of print looking in on the wts.

  no submissions will be taken from naeblis -- he is really a zealous travelling overseer serving yhwh in the pacific northwest!.

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  SpiderMonkey

  LOL, Scully, I missed that one the first time around. Thank goodness for Number Two.

  I mean TIME NUMBER TWO, you PERVERTS!!! As you all know, I am working humbly and steadfastly toward reinstatement, waiting on Jehover to hear my pleas. During this 'movement' back into the Organization, I must be strong, and, as the Apostle Saul said, "Beat my [sphincter] and lead it as a slave"!

  (GOOD one, Scully )
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  to us...

  by teejay in

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  very few people in life will ever understand the struggle that we have endured, conquered, and go on conquering.. i've spent long hours, choosing my words carefully, and my intelligent wife, i feel, still has no clue.. we're still here.

  living.

  moving.

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  SpiderMonkey

  How about them Lakers?

  <---lifts another beer in celebration, to us!
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  Alternative lyrics to kingdom songs

  by Matty in

  1. social
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  have you ever sung alternative lyrics to kingdom songs during a meeting or a convention?

  to qualify they have to sound very similar to the actual words so you can get away with it without too much attention being drawn to yourself.

  here are three examples, i'm sure there are many more, so please feel free to add!.

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  SpiderMonkey

  ROFLMAO, Englishman, you are my HERO!!! I've been trying to remember for awhile now which one was the "Looney Tunes" song... Among the kids in my old cong, it was common knowledge that that was the "real" music for that particular Kingdom Melody.

  (Hehehe, even at bethel... 2 other young bethelites & I used to walk to our meetings together, & one time we got on this very subject... We sang the last few lines & then in unison did the "Doo doo DOOP! Doo doo DOOP! Ba doop doop doobie doobie doo doo DOOP! Ba doop doop doobie doo badado MWEEP!" <----hope that translates OK
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  to us...

  by teejay in

  1. jw
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  very few people in life will ever understand the struggle that we have endured, conquered, and go on conquering.. i've spent long hours, choosing my words carefully, and my intelligent wife, i feel, still has no clue.. we're still here.

  living.

  moving.

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  SpiderMonkey

  Spice,

  OK I AM STILL A WEBSPAZ!!! I don't know how you did that, but it is hella cool

  And myself, I hope you don't mind... I took a swig of your second drink when you weren't looking!
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  to us...

  by teejay in

  1. jw
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  very few people in life will ever understand the struggle that we have endured, conquered, and go on conquering.. i've spent long hours, choosing my words carefully, and my intelligent wife, i feel, still has no clue.. we're still here.

  living.

  moving.

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  SpiderMonkey

  Cheers!
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  What Austin Powers Kinda Spy Are You?

  by MrMoe in

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  really fun quiz -- get your spy profile and name... the groovy austin powers way!

  http://www.austinpowers.com/cgi-bin/austin/spyname.cgi.

  amanda "audacious" **********.

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  SpiderMonkey

  d'oh!!! gsx, I guess great minds think alike