That was an interesting video. I heard about that analogy of the class before, but I never thought about it critically. What TheraminTrees proposed was fascinating.
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Becoming fools - TheraminTrees.
by Witness My Fury ininteresting easter egg video from theramintrees:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewehb4qm1hg.
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Revelation 5:9,10 and the 144,000
by Darkknight757 ini hesitate to ask this question.
during some recent research on youtube i came across a few videos explaining how watchtower manipulated revelation 5:10. revelation 5:10 "you have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our god,and they will reign on the earth.”" -niv.
the nwt13 renders this verse: 10 and you made them to be a kingdom+ and priests to our god,+ and they are to rule as kings+ over the earth.”.
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Saename
"Instead of "on the earth", Watchtower renders the verse "over the earth" and makes the connection of these ones to the 144,000."
The Greek word this verse uses is ἐπί ("epi"). The problem with this word is that it has multiple meanings. It can mean different propositions in English:
- upon
- unto
- against
- in
- at
- on
- about
- over
- before
- by
Here are some examples of verses in different translations:
- Matthew 7.25 uses "epi" to mean "upon" in KJV and INT.
- Matthew 10.18 uses "epi" to mean "before" in NAS, KJV, and INT.
- Matthew 10.21 uses "epi" to mean "against" in NAS, KJV, and INT.
- Matthew 18.13 uses "epi" to mean "over" in NAS and INT, whereas KJV renders "epi" as "of."
In short, the rendering of "epi" as "over" in Rev. 5.10 is neither wrong nor right. It's just another example of the fact that the original New Testament cannot be reconstructed. There is not a single possibility to know what the authors meant when they penned their words. Each manuscript we have is different from each other, and some of the Greek words can mean different things, each of which interpretations can be considered agreeable depending on how you read the verses. This problem is especially evident when you attempt to interpret the prophecies.
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Jesus Knows the Day & Hour Now?
by KillerJones ini was skimming the july 2016 wt study article and came across a paragraph indicating that, despite scriptural evidence, the governing body indeed feels that god's son now knows the exact day and hour of armageddon.
is this 'new light'?
from the second study article, page 14, pgh 4:.
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Saename
I thought the Governing Body doesn't deal in hypothetical questions and answers? I mean, when Geoffrey Jackson was asked in the ARC whether Jesus would point to Deut. 22:23–27 (I hope this was the right scripture) to show that there are exceptions to the two-witness rule, he denied to answer, saying that it was a hypothetical question, and that he can't know without talking to Jesus first. Now this paragraph clearly speaks about a hypothetical scenario. The problem is that the Witnesses will now say that this is the new light. Shame on you, Governing Body.
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New identity
by thereishope ini was able to sign out thanks.
not that knowledgeable about computers can you tell?
i have used a username that i'm nervous my husband might recognize if he were to find this site.
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Saename
Don't forget to disactivate this mode after using the browser. That would be a problem for you and your husband―unless, of course, this is not your husband's field.
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New identity
by thereishope ini was able to sign out thanks.
not that knowledgeable about computers can you tell?
i have used a username that i'm nervous my husband might recognize if he were to find this site.
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Saename
Yes, you can create a new account. Just sign out and go for it. The old stuff will remain on the site, but, as you say, it will fade away. Your husband will probably not find it, even if he were to find the site itself.
Also, I presume you are a Jehovah's Witness who has recently stopped believing in the organisation, but you fear of telling this to your husband who is still an active Jehovah's Witness? If so, I realize this is a hard situation for you. I hope things will get better so that you wouldn't have to be "paranoid" about it.
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Saename
This forum is like another Jehovah's Witness organisation. We will not let you go. It's a no-no. So, next time you even think of leaving this site, you better clear cache and cookies and then log out.
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Governing Body Anthony Morris gives talk at convention. Child refuses blood dies
by Watchtower-Free inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yxw_wxyviu .
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Saename
This would never happen in the UK. Judges overrule parents wishes on blood without hesitation.
If I'm not mistaken, it was not the parents who refused but the child himself. I think it was solely him who refused the blood transfusion. It is true, however, that it would be the parents who indoctrinated the boy.
Did anyone notice that Tony Harris called the doctors' attempts to persuade the boy to take the transfusion "persecution"? This is ridiculous. How that can be considered even close to "persecution" I have no idea. Last time I checked, "persecution" means to "treat someone cruelly or unfairly especially because of race or religious or political beliefs," or to "constantly annoy or bother someone." This is the definitions that Merriam-Webster Dictionary gives. I don't see how medical advice can be called a cruel or unfair treatment of a person, or an attempt to annoy or bother a person.
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Are gays really condemned in the Bible?
by jws inso i was having this argument with a friend about the westboro baptist idiots.
my point is that while they are horrible people, they are pretty much right in that the bible is against gays because it has verses in both the old and the new testament.
which is one of many reasons to reject the bible as merely man-made rules from ancient middle-easterners.. and she argued that there are problems in translation, etc.
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Saename
I believe you are right in your conclusion. I won't say that the Bible is against homosexuality as I don't believe that the Bible is inspired of God. As an atheist who studies the New Testament, I believe that the Bible is a collection of books that are different from each other and that were written by authors different from each other.
Therefore, what I will say is that apostle Paul, when writing the letter to Romans, was against homosexuality. As I study the New Testament, I have to say there is some debate about 1 Cor. 6.9–10. The Greek words used are μαλακοὶ and ἀρσενοκοῖται. People argue different things when it comes to the translations of those words. malakai (the first word), seems to mean "effeminate." The second word, arsenokoites, gets tricky... Boswell argues that it means "male prostitutes," Balley argues that it means "males who practise homosexuality," and Scroggs argues that it means "pederasty." Will the case be settled? Hmm... probably not.
Now, I won't discuss 1 Timothy as it was probably not written by Paul at all but by one of his followers. Instead, I will go on to comment on Romans 1.26–27.
When I personally read this passage, I see a clear case of Paul against homosexuality. It's true that Paul says that both women and men "exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature" (ESV), and some individuals (such as Joe Dallas) argue that this verse condemns heterosexuals who practise homosexuality, and thus they act against nature. However, at the same time, you can argue that Paul is calling any homosexual practice as being "contrary to nature." Too bad we can't ask the guy, eh? To me, it seems that Paul condemns homosexuality in general, but it's my personal opinion, with which there are scholars who agree. And then there are also scholars who disagree.
I guess that's why scholars don't even talk anymore about reconstructing the original New Testament...
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We live a simple life
by hoser inthis is a video on jw broadcasting to quit your full time career, sell your house and belongings and start a window washing career.
i agree with some of what is presented but not all.
it is good to live within your means as presented in this video.
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We live a simple life
by hoser inthis is a video on jw broadcasting to quit your full time career, sell your house and belongings and start a window washing career.
i agree with some of what is presented but not all.
it is good to live within your means as presented in this video.
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Saename
Gulf Coaster, I'm glad you did okay despite your past experiences with JWs.
University may be more accepted by the cult these days, but I guess it depends on age and culture. I'm sure you would experience different reactions even today, depending on whether the JW is young or old, and whether s/he lives in a first-world country, a second-world country, or a third-world country (if I may use this particular classification.) After all, the poorer the country is, the more religiously committed the citizens are. It seems to be one of the reasons the Governing Body continues to discourage pursuing higher education and material possessions.