It is just like your kid did something to hurt you but you, out of love, hope that they will not have to face death penalty for what they did. The people who killed Jesus were still alive when they killed Jesus, Jesus hoped they would repent & believe, thus, forgiven. It is not the act of killing that gained them salvation on the spot but their repentance and belief later. In other word, He asked and hoped for a second chance for these people.
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I have a question for born agains and jws. When Jesus ask Jehovah to forgive the men who killed him are they in heaven?
by booker-t inthis question gets people defensive because they have to question they own belief system.
born agains and jws always claim to follow the bible 100% but when this question comes up i always get silence from both groups.
because in the bible jesus says whatever he ask the father i will be granted.
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A newbie...
by Jaidubdub ini'm new here but have been lurking here for a couple of months.
i am 3rd gen born in but have been inactive for a few years but always had the intention to make another go of the truth, but not now that i know ttatt.
i became inactive due to the inhumane treatment from family members who are elders.
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Welcome Jai! Glad to see another one person set free!
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I have just been disinvited to my brother's wedding - Thanks AAWA!
by Sic Semper Tyrannis ini am an inactive jw.
i havent been on this forum for a few months and have been lurking in others.
i have met a few people in real life and online, both on this forum and on others.
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It is really sad to see what is happening here. As an outsider, I think the idea and the cause of AWAA is nobel and effective to bring down the WTBS, and also to help the ex-JWs, JWs as well as the bring awareness to the public about the JW cult. On order to see something done successfully all need to be united, and not divided. And the CORE mission/policy/purpose of the movement must be observe carefully and devotedly.
The interest of your target group that you want to help (if that is your objective) should be the first priority. If AWAA wants to united "apostates" or even faders/mentally-out-physically-in JWs to form a strong force to fight the cult, then it should take the interest, welfare and opinion of the members seriously. One can always add a friend into a group without the person's consent or knowledge and this is so true. I myself had been added by friends into some political groups, even a secret group, without my consent and knowledge. Thus, in the case of AWAA, many will actually have to innocently suffer the consequences of being added into the group.
Probably if AWAA really needs to have a group in FB, they can name their FB group with a more subtle name, not the obvious ANTI-WT-AA. Just my 2 cents.
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July 15 WT- When a Parable is a Prophecy Then a Parable All At Once
by Comatose innotice the explanation from the box on page 24. the parable they say is a prophecy is here confirmed to just be a parable regarding the evil slave.
how can a prophetic parable to be taken literally revert to a parable on an inconvenient part?
it's the same parable!!!!.
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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)
by cedars inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.
http://www.jwactivists.org.
facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.
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If you would need any contribution from someone in Asia, who knows very little about JW, only came to know about it recently because fiance is still one, I am here.
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Some dummy questions for JWs
by FingersCrossed in1. who do you listen to?
jehovah or his organization?.
2. if you listen to jehovah, how does he speak to you?.
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The bible writers were "Inspired" to write their books
The GB are directed to give us teachings
So the holy spirit gave them the wrong directions eh?? I guess the light is not bright enough to see even for the holy spirit..
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Some dummy questions for JWs
by FingersCrossed in1. who do you listen to?
jehovah or his organization?.
2. if you listen to jehovah, how does he speak to you?.
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This is stuff that even a "rookie" JW could answer. You must not have spent much time with JWs, or at least not much in the recent past.
You're right. I don't have much exposure and understanding of the JW beliefs. My questions are not trying to proof that they a wrong but to see what they say about the whole thing.
1 Cor 13 is talking about prophesies, and other stuffs as temporary gifts, and Paul used that to emphasize on the important of love, faith and hope. I just don't see how it relates to cessation of those gift when the last apostle died. Besides Paul use himself as example, he wasn't the last apostle to die.
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Do other churches use the name Jehovah?
by barry ini have seen on this site recordings of jw elders at tribunal meetings claim other churches hate the name jehovah.
one former baptist now jw elder said other churches hate the name and never use it.
please look at the following and there are many more hymns not included than these.
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In the Old Testament of Chinese Bible, the LORD is translated to "Ye He Hua", that is Jehovah. Other Christian churches that I know also using the name Jehovah eg Jehovah Jireh (God the provider), Jehovah Nissi etc...
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Logical Fallacies in WT Publications
by Oubliette in[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:documentproperties> <o:revision>0</o:revision> <o:totaltime>0</o:totaltime> <o:pages>1</o:pages> <o:words>858</o:words> <o:characters>4892</o:characters> <o:company>oak park</o:company> <o:lines>40</o:lines> <o:paragraphs>11</o:paragraphs> <o:characterswithspaces>5739</o:characterswithspaces> <o:version>14.0</o:version> </o:documentproperties> <o:officedocumentsettings> <o:allowpng /> </o:officedocumentsettings> </xml><!
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Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church
by cofty inthe following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.
i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.
if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.
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Marking. Great sharing