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  What would happen to a JW for celebrating Christmas?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  mark jones writes:.

  if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .

  if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.

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  KerryKing

  I remember an elder in a neighbouring cong, a genuine gentleman, used to visit some of his elderly and lonely return calls on xmas or boxing day, and he'd quite happily accept a sip of whiskey while he was there 😅
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  What would happen to a JW for celebrating Christmas?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mark jones writes:.

  if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .

  if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.

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  KerryKing

  Growing up as a JW and now raising my own children with birthday celebrations and xmas, I have learnt how important these celebrations and holidays are for forging strong family ties, not only immediate family but also extended family. I barely know any of my aunts, uncles or cousins because we never socialised with them, either because they were not jws or they weren't 'good enough ' jws.

  The JWs, to my mind, are working in direct opposition to Jesus commands to love your neighbour. They'd rather preach to strangers, than save their own relatives. Many of them will do anything to NOT have to look after elderly parents or grandparents, including moving overseas to 'serve where there's a greater need'. No family ties for them whatsoever. They're married to jw.org.
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  What would happen to a JW for celebrating Christmas?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mark jones writes:.

  if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .

  if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.

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  KerryKing

  Just say you're sorry and give back all your presents 😁
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  The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

  by aqwsed12345 in

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  1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

  the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

  there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

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  KerryKing

  I read the title to this thread wrong, i thought it said 'The Queen of the great apostasy ' and my next thought was Well we all know who that is 😅
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  The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

  the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

  there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

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  KerryKing

  Peacefulpete

  Can you recommend a website or book about the part of Jewish history you mention? I am not familiar with it , would like to educate myself a bit better.
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  Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

  by joey jojo in

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  im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

  i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

  im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

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  KerryKing

  https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/jephthahs-daughter-midrash-and-aggadah

  This is an interesting read about Jephthah. The writer of Judges doesn't say how God received the sacrifice, but the explanation above seems sensible.

  Jephthah doesn't come across as someone who actually knew the God of Israel, he was an outsider, the High Priest should have annulled the vow as unlawful under the Mosaic Law, but he didn't.
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  The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

  the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

  there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

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  KerryKing

  The fact that Catholics venerate the Pope makes them apostates
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

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  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  Peacefulpete

  Suspending our critical mind to enter the stories to try to feel what the author intended is not the same thing as dismissing the stories as worthless 'lies.

  Your explanation above actually makes a lot more sense of the visions that came with the prophecies, as in, all this debate about dates and beasts with or without horns is maybe entirely off the mark.
  
  
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

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  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  Peacefulpete

  I had not heard of the second version of Genesis, thanks for that, I'll have some fun digging that up!

  Blondie

  Yes the WT doesn't support one way or another, although their paradise pictures do, but a lot of JWs believe the vegetarian theme, I remember some saying enjoy your meat now you won't get it in the new system lol.
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  KerryKing

  Jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.

  However, in Gen 1:24,25 it says that God created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).

  Why would Adam and Eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked? Wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food. Possibly for dairy products only? That also poses a problem as every farmer knows, roughly 50% of births will be males, they're useless to dairy herds so they need to be culled, can't release them because they won't survive in the wild, they still have to be shorn, hoofs maintained etc to keep healthy. Domestic animals need mankind, and mankind needs domestic animals, by design.

  Abel was a shepherd, Gen 2:2-4, and sacrificed animals to God, so mankind was familiar with killing beasts. He also knew to sacrifice the fatty pieces because that was considered the best cut of meat, how did he know that was the best? Did God say give me the fat it's my favourite? Or was Abel familiar with the meat and it's various cuts and flavours? Imo logic will go with the latter option.

  Noah and family were granted to eat all the animals of the earth and creatures of the sea and birds Gen 9:2,3, but the animals would now be afraid of mankind. To me this means that Noah was now given permission to hunt, they could eat wild animals as well as livestock.

  But wid animals would run away, whereas livestock are not afraid of their shepherds and carers.

  I believe the reason for this was because post flood the land was saturated and it would take at least a year for crops to be seeded and grow, probably longer because of the condition of the land. Wild animals often reproduce faster than livestock, so would be a quicker and steadier source of food.

  I think JWs wave away these logical reasonings in favour of fairy tales, but i really don't think the Garden of Eden was a fairy tale at all.