No comments from those who had their own vision, from...... I don't know...... maybe Jesus? I'm disappointed. Guess they just can't relate.
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I had a marvelous vision from the FSM!
by AK - Jeff inas i walked along the road last night something seemed unusual.
i can not put my finger on it, but i felt the spirit in my heart.
i was overjoyed.
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Why is god hiding?
by AK - Jeff inwhat god could have done to show himself:.
he could have left incontrovertible evidence of his existence.he could have made it impossibly evident that mankind has been here only 6000 years, not the 200,000 give or take, that fossil evidence supports.
he could have provided evidence through jesus to millions of non-believers, instead of focusing on a small band of fanatical followers eager to point to 'the messiah'.he could at any time, being the ultimate of beings, just simply show himself in the sky, speak to millions instead of to the lonely occasional deluded sheepherder in the desert, or provide miracles to millions of us as observers - part the ocean, cure cancer and announce it from heaven in a clear unmistakable voice, or instantaneously stop starvation and plague in it's tracks.
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startingover
Thanks for starting the thread Jeff. Anyone who bases their life on reality and not emotion can understand how important the things you brought up are.
I have gotten the same response from a friend when presenting this type of evidence that you got from Snowbird, ie if you really didn't care you would not worry about it. In my case, I don't worry about it but bring it up because of people like Snowbird who present their emotional experience as reality based. If people like her would just admit it's just something that makes them feel good and that it could be nothing more than a delusion, I would not feel he need to bring up the subject. But I have yet to see anyone like her do that.
Being mislead for so many years because I just happened to have parents who tainted me from birth and never explained that there might be another choice, I applaud your efforts to spread the message of reality which hopefully someday will relagate Jesus to the status of Hercules.
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The Internet: Where religions come to die. Why the WTS knows this. Excellent Video.
by whereami inworth watching all the way through.. .
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rqw4krmoug.
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There was a time when I was sure that my 3 "annointed" grandparents in heaven were somehow responsible for getting me out of close calls. I finally figured out that was all fantasy and that sometimes good things happen and sometimes bad.
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Regarding the Mexico Situation
by superpunk ini have an e-friend who is trying to leave quietly, but his wife is still buying the wts explanations.
he asked me this earlier today, wondering if anyone here has heard this chestnut, and if they'd be able to clarify.
thanks in advance;.
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startingover
Reminds me of the mental gymnastics some believers on this board go through to stick up for their god. One thing I have learned in my journey, if someone wants to believe something they will find a way. Wish I could help you with your question but I doubt the claim has any meri. But it would be real easy to run it by Ray, he could probably use a laugh.
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Jehovah's Witnesses serve up LEFTOVERS from other plates
by Terry inthe doctrines of jehovah's witnesses are not original.. if they are not original and originating from their "faithful and discreet slave" class of anointed "prophets"--then they must be 2nd hand from other sources.. this would at once disprove the proprietary claims of special relationship with god as his mouthpiece.where did their ideas, doctrines, chronologies and reasonings find their source?
was it the "anointed" slave or was it from earlier failed speculators who had polished a messege that got people worked up into a fervor?.
for the answer to this we must revisit the time of the watchtower society's founder, c.t.
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startingover
Another great post Terry! I have a question, how can you possibly keep starting these great threads. Is that why you disappeared for a while, you were busy composing a whole slough of threads that you could share with us? Whatever, keep it up.
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Just got ahold of "secret elders meetings" notes.
by aquagirl incant say how,but i am in possession of about 10 years worth of elders meetings notes.financial info,personal lists,signed letters etc.disfellowshipping meeting minutes,the works.it is unbelieveable.some of the note are "investigate so and so,she was seen at a movie,talk to sister so and so about her weight,investigate the matter between so and so and so and so etc.
letters from circuit servant visits w/recommendatons.anyone got any ideas?there are even minutes of a meeting in which some of the elders "had words"...all in glorious initialed and signed paper.numbers,names,contributions..what should i do with this "blessing from hohoba?
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The moment I knew it was crap....
by Brocephus inalready had doubts from the time i got pubes... but i was about 15 and we were studying the revelation "book" for the upteenth time.
i realized for every actual bible verse they qouted there was 2-3 paragraphs of conjecture, assumption, faulty logic and just plain stupidity.
that's when i began to plan my escape.
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Concerning Abaddon, from wikipedia: Identifying Abaddon The symbolism of Revelation 9:11 leaves the exact identification of Abaddon open for interpretation. Some bible scholars believe him to be the antichrist[9] or Satan.[10][11][12] In the past Jehovah's Witnesses shared the idea that Abaddon was Satan.[13] Modern Jehovah's Witnesses take the contrasting view, believing that Abaddon is a name given to Jesus.[14][15] References 1.^ KJV, Rev. 9:1-11. 2.^ See any Hebrew dictionary entry for Strong number 6; you can search for it using The Unbound Bible's lexicon search tool. 3.^ a b Davidson, Gustav (1994) [1967]. A Dictionary of Fallen Angels, Including the Fallen Angels. New York, NY: Macmillan, Inc.. ISBN 9780029070529. 4.^ Occultopedia article on Abaddon 5.^ Metzger & Coogan (1993) Oxford Companion to the Bible, p3. 6.^ The Legends of the Jews, volume II: From Joseph to Exodus, Lewis Ginzberg, 1909. 7.^ a b Atiya, Aziz S. The Coptic Encyclopedia. New York: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1991. ISBN 002897025X 8.^ Gospel of Bartholomew Featured as Abbaton 9.^ Matthew Henry Commentary on Revelation 9, accessed 15 April 2007 10.^ Jamieson, Robert; Fausset, A.R.; and Brown, David (2000-02-19). Commentary on Revelation 9. Blue Letter Bible. Retrieved on 2007-04-15 from http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/comm_read.pl?book=Rev&chapter=9&verse=11&Comm=Comm%2Fjfb%2FRev%2FRev009.html%2359238%26JF+%5E%26B&Select.x=24&Select.y=0. 11.^ Halley (2000) Halley's Bible Handbook with the New International Version, p936. 12.^ MacDonald (1995) Believer's Bible Commentary, p2366. 13.^ Charles Taze Russell’s Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 7, p. 159, 1917 edition 14.^ Insight on the Scriptures Page 12 15.^ Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1961, p. 719
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Handling "Conversation Stoppers", 1963 style.
by Open mind inold timers may remember that the wt used to print up "reports" of the assemblies in paperback booklet form during the late forties to early sixties.
(this predates my memory, btw.
) i have a copy of the 1963 report on the "everlasting good news" assembly of jehovah's witnesses.
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Don't toss it away, it may be worth some bucks on Ebay.
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Was Jehovah God Ever Real To You?
by minimus inwe were supposed to "love" jehovah god.
we were taught how wonderful a god he is and how fortunate we were to be his people.
of course, you can't see jehovah god.
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startingover
Undercover- my feelings exactly. Since I left I have repeatly heard that my problem is that I never developed a personal relationship with Jehovah. I find that to be an unarguable point. Just like those that left the JW's and somehow got invited to sit in Jesus' lap.