Posts by startingover

The owner of the Phoenix Suns basketball team, Robert Sarver, opposes AZ's new immigration laws. Arizona 's Governor, Jan Brewer, released the following statement in response to Sarver's criticism of the new law:

"What if the owners of the Suns discovered that hordes of people were sneaking into games without paying? What if they had a good idea who the gate-crashers are, but the ushers and security personnel were not allowed to ask these folks to produce their ticket stubs, thus non-paying attendees couldn't be ejected. Furthermore, what if Suns' ownership was expected to provide those who sneaked in with complimentary eats and drink? And what if, on those days when a gate-crasher became ill or injured, the Suns had to provide free medical care and shelter?" - Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer

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Perry - Question about original sin

by startingover in

jw
friends

for perry and all the others that say humans are sinful creatures in need of redemption: .

since i'm certain you consider sexual perversion to be a big part of that sinful nature humans supposedly inherited, i have a question regarding the young fella in the video below.

don't his actions show he is also fallen flesh in need of redemption?

startingover

This sure got buried quick. I really want to know, the victim of original sin or not?

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Response to "Do you think the F&DS are directed by Holy Spirit"

by onefootout in

thinking about the article a year ago, 6/15/09 watchtower page 23 para 15.. if you are put on the spot, or even in casual conversation if asked if the f&ds, anointed, gov.

body ect.

make mistakes, have holy spirit, are spirit directed ect.

startingover

If I was asked, I would reply that bothers me is that somehow the GB has gone beyond what it says in the bible and seperated themselves from this "class", giving them authority not given the others.

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Perry - Question about original sin

by startingover in

jw
friends

for perry and all the others that say humans are sinful creatures in need of redemption: .

since i'm certain you consider sexual perversion to be a big part of that sinful nature humans supposedly inherited, i have a question regarding the young fella in the video below.

don't his actions show he is also fallen flesh in need of redemption?

startingover

For Perry and all the others that say humans are sinful creatures in need of redemption:

Since I'm certain you consider sexual perversion to be a big part of that sinful nature humans supposedly inherited, I have a question regarding the young fella in the video below. Don't his actions show he is also fallen flesh in need of redemption? I say a better explanation is that humans are as much animals as this young guy.

http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/monkey-has-his-way-with-a-frog/

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What a messed up Cult the JW religion is

by Think About It in

i'm reading coc for the first time.

a governing body that is suppose to be god's channel on earth and led by jehovah's holy spirit could not even change jw dogma even though the majority of those present voted for change.

there had to be a 2/3's vote of the total gb membership.

startingover

Obviously Bane hasn't read C of C, he's speaking from ignorance.

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Imagine a WT Paradise Earth with over 100 Billion People- Not!

by moshe in

for years the wt has claimed that only 20 billion people have ever lived on the earth- in 1988 they claimed that there would be 1/3 hectare of every person who ever lived, which they said was enough to grow all the food that was needed.

a more realistic number by the population reference bureau is over 100 billion.

life in the wt utopia would resemble living in third world slums with just one bowl of food a day.

startingover

Bane,

Is what you descibed any less of a fantasy?

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For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense"

by Perry in

terry, since you have long proclaimed your inability to comprehend the greatest expression of love in the universe, substitutionary atonement; perhaps this scene from the last of the mohicans will help you to understand.. the chief has just handed down a death sentence to the brunette daughter of the captured english general.

the english officer in this scene can speak both english and french.

since daniel day lewis can only speak mohican and english, and the cheif can only speak huron and french, the captured english officer must translate to the chief in french.

startingover

After reading this last barrage from the infamous Perry, I have changed my mind. In my efforts to understand I attributed it to a quirk in the brain. It's a quirk alright, but I guess it's better termed a delusion.

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For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense"

by Perry in

terry, since you have long proclaimed your inability to comprehend the greatest expression of love in the universe, substitutionary atonement; perhaps this scene from the last of the mohicans will help you to understand.. the chief has just handed down a death sentence to the brunette daughter of the captured english general.

the english officer in this scene can speak both english and french.

since daniel day lewis can only speak mohican and english, and the cheif can only speak huron and french, the captured english officer must translate to the chief in french.

startingover

Not a good comparison. Try this: A promoter decides that the penalty for sneaking into his concerts is death. And the promoter decides that, after years of having this penalty in place and having many continue to sneak into his concerts, that he actually loves all these people who snuck into his concerts without paying so much that the only way the debt can be paid is not by him saying that it was a ridiculous penalty to begin with, but by saying that the debt will be forgiven if his own son gives up his life. So he goes through with this whole scenario, the son dies, but then his son miraculously comes back to life after being dead. So the promoter says the debt is now paid, you are all forgiven for sneaking into the concerts. Perry, does that really make sense to you? If that makes sense to you, how about this:

A plan for economic recovery

International economics is a mystery to me, but the following approach to resolving the global economic slump strikes me as very promising:

It is August. In a small town on the South Coast of France, holiday season is in full swing, but it is the rainy season not much business is taking place. Everyone is heavily in debt. Luckily, a rich Russian tourist arrives in the foyer of the small local hotel. He asks for a room, puts a 100 Euro note on the reception counter, takes a key, and goes upstairs to inspect the room.

The hotel owner takes the banknote and rushes to his meat supplier, to whom he owes E100.

The butcher takes the money and races to his wholesale supplier to pay his debt.

The wholesaler rushes to the farmer to pay E100 for pigs he purchased some time ago.

The farmer triumphantly gives the E100 note to a local prostitute who gave him her services on credit.

The prostitute goes quickly to the hotel, as she owed the hotel for her hourly room use to entertain clients.

At that moment, the rich Russian comes back down to reception, informs the hotel owner that the proposed room is unsatisfactory, takes his E100 back, and departs.

There was no profit or income. But now no one has any debt and the residents of the small town look optimistically towards their future.

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For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense"

by Perry in

terry, since you have long proclaimed your inability to comprehend the greatest expression of love in the universe, substitutionary atonement; perhaps this scene from the last of the mohicans will help you to understand.. the chief has just handed down a death sentence to the brunette daughter of the captured english general.

the english officer in this scene can speak both english and french.

since daniel day lewis can only speak mohican and english, and the cheif can only speak huron and french, the captured english officer must translate to the chief in french.

startingover

That's what I'm talking about Perry. What you just said makes absolutely no sense to me. So is it a quirk in the mind or what?