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  Why did Jesus have to die?

  by ghostbuster in

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  i disassociated myself from jws about 20 years ago so i'm a bit rusty on christian teaching.

  the intersting thing though is i hadn't completely disassociated my mind from their teachings and it's only been recently that i've had true independent thought.

  it's scary if you think about it.

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  The whole ransom thing never made sense to me. I just put it aside and believed one day it would be answered for me. But it never was. I always thought it was not a equal exchange because Jesus was supposedly privy to what was going on and knew he would go back to that position after this little game was played. As Runningman said it so aptly, Jesus did no more than have a bad weekend for man. The thing that makes death so bad is it's permanence.

  My question about it is this: Who was holding mankind captive and who did the ransom price get paid to? And once it was paid nothing changed. Why?
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  WTS Reason for Not Missing Meetings?

  by ICBehindtheCurtain in

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  2. friends

  this is regarding the january watchtower article that is on another thread, which is about avoiding missing meetings for work, i posted this under that thread but thought i might begin a new topic to get your views on this:

  it's really enfuriating, that they keep putting out this bs, i know firsthand of many r&f that either quit jobs or did not accept jobs that would compromise meeting attendance all the while their families were in need, the brainwashed mentality was "if we put jehovah first wts first, jehovah will provide", yeah right, as someone else mentioned what about when the car breaks down, or a child gets sick, etc?

  then they are pretty much up the creak without a paddle.

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  Very interesting IC

  On the other hand, look at how the mormons approach the situation. Encourage education and making money and then require them to give 10%. I think the mormons are the wisest financially speaking. And I think they have a happier group of people as a result.
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  Self Abuse

  by startingover in

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  2. friends

  something occurred to me while i was reading the promiscuous sex thread.

  the wt always refers to masturbation as self abuse.

  i googled it and came up with many sites that linked it to cutting oneself, but only a couple that linked those words to masturbation, one being a site about sda prophetess ellen white, and the other some religious site.. of course if you type in self pleasure then you get the masturbation links.

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  Now I see why you guys fell out of the truth. You were guilty of a secret sin
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  Watchtower site hacked again!

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  (and this time, the links actually do something!

  ) (url = http://thebentinel.com/watchtower2.html).

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  Check out the way Jesus looks on the WT website. Sure looks like a white guy to me. I got the following comments on a webpage that says Hercules was the original son of god:

  Not content with stealing the laurels of Hercules, these clever Greek Christians even stole his face. How else does one explain the remarkable similarity of the face of Hercules and his figurative father Zeus to the images of Jesus as a white European? Jesus was in fact a Palestinian Jew with "a swarthy complexion and hair like wool" or, to modernize these Greek New Testament metaphors, Jesus was "dark-skinned and had an afro." The Roman often described Jews as having dark complexions, while the Egyptians were described as being olive-skinned. In fact, the Romans stated unequivocally that the Jews were of Egyptian descent, and dismissed the fanciful tales the Jews told of their own origins. So how did Jesus come to possess the light skin, straight nose, and hair of a Greek, as well as the legends of Greece's most famous hero?
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  Self Abuse

  by startingover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  something occurred to me while i was reading the promiscuous sex thread.

  the wt always refers to masturbation as self abuse.

  i googled it and came up with many sites that linked it to cutting oneself, but only a couple that linked those words to masturbation, one being a site about sda prophetess ellen white, and the other some religious site.. of course if you type in self pleasure then you get the masturbation links.

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  Hey Tetra,

  After all that stroking, are you pointing to the left or to the right? Presuming of course you are not ambidextrous.
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  Self Abuse

  by startingover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  something occurred to me while i was reading the promiscuous sex thread.

  the wt always refers to masturbation as self abuse.

  i googled it and came up with many sites that linked it to cutting oneself, but only a couple that linked those words to masturbation, one being a site about sda prophetess ellen white, and the other some religious site.. of course if you type in self pleasure then you get the masturbation links.

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  Referring to Sir82's thread about the elder school and Bro. Meek being put on the spot by the COOT. It was suggested he be put on the spot back. I would love to see his face if the Meekster asked him "Bro. COOT, now remember Jehovah is listening, have you ever masturbated?"

  In fact, maybe that's a good question to ask an elder putting you on the spot about your WT beliefs. Probably just tick him off but the expression on his face would be priceless.
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  Self Abuse

  by startingover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  something occurred to me while i was reading the promiscuous sex thread.

  the wt always refers to masturbation as self abuse.

  i googled it and came up with many sites that linked it to cutting oneself, but only a couple that linked those words to masturbation, one being a site about sda prophetess ellen white, and the other some religious site.. of course if you type in self pleasure then you get the masturbation links.

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  Something occurred to me while I was reading the promiscuous sex thread.

  The WT always refers to masturbation as self abuse. I googled it and came up with many sites that linked it to cutting oneself, but only a couple that linked those words to masturbation, one being a site about SDA prophetess Ellen White, and the other some religious site.

  Of course if you type in self pleasure then you get the masturbation links. But isn't that really what it is, self pleasure? Take away the religion and the guilt inducing word goes away.
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  Watchtower site hacked again!

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  (and this time, the links actually do something!

  ) (url = http://thebentinel.com/watchtower2.html).

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  Dave,

  You are way too funny...

  "Go elsewhere Pizza Boy" , that one cracked me up.
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  Two weeks 'til DA day?

  by AuldSoul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you have been following anything about my situation (likely not), i have been baptised for 20 years.

  my profile (as of today) says:i have committed no immorality.

  i have only stopped believing that the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses represents the interests of god in any way.

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  In my experience, if your father is the PO, you may stand a better chance of being left alone, depending on him of course. I have seen other elders leave PO's kids alone because they leave it up to him to take care of his kids. Seems like you have been upfront about what is bothering you. Just be careful who you talk to and if they do come after you, it seems like you have something really bothering you they won't resolve. Bottom line, you've been stumbled. Try to play that card.

  In my situation, I think they have left me alone because I stopped associated with them. Even though I get invited to JW things sometimes because of my wife, I am careful to avoid them. Bad association spoils useful habits you know.
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  With the new Disfellowshipping procedure, How will the congo know who left?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with the "new" way jw's are expelled from the congregations how would the congregation know who left on their own(disassociated) themselves or was disfellowshipped for "wrongdoing".

  when i left the elders told me that they would tell the congregation that i "disassociated"my self and that would be that.

  the whole congregation would know that i left on my own and was not expelled for immorality or wrongdoing.

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  I too agree with Willyloman

  DA and you are Satan in the flesh.