hmmn, doesn't quite work does it?
ok...we'll stick with 'thirsty' then .
why not register and make a post or two...ask a question...make a statement...whatever !.
Hello,
Welcome to the board, I am new here also. Thanks for the post. It helps us all to hear experiences of others like this so we know we are not alone in what we are going through.
Glad you could "slip out the back door" it will most certainly make life much easier for you. I too have learned more from my own research then the many years at the KH.
-stealth
perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER
I posted the conditions of my wager. You are welcome to accept MY wager or not.
Isn't it wrong for Jehovah's witnesses to wager and gamble?
To YK: Even if you were to win this bet, your god would destroy you for wagering! If he didn't at least your Taliban religious leaders would disfellowship you for wagering! LOL!
i'm sure that many of us exes are angry with the watchtower because you feel like you've been lied to.. for years you are told to believe in them implicitly, not to question, not to look else where for answers.. i think the governing body would gain a lot more respect and credibility if they simply came clean and stated the truth, i.e.
look guys, we get things wrong, we've changed our beliefs time and time again, and we expect that some of what we believe now to be incorrect.. keeping up this charade of being inspired by god into this century is going to give them more problems than ever.
several threads on this site have allready predicted certain doctrinal changes and these are rapidly becoming over-due.
I have come to believe that most JWs all of the way up the ranks truly believe that the GB are inspired as they claim, just as many of us here once believed. This is because most JWs have no idea how the GB operates and how policies are formed.
If there is anyone who absolutely knows that they are a fraud, it is the GB members themselves. I have many times asked myself the same question as to why they just don’t come clean and tell the truth.
Trying to give the GB members some benefit of doubt, I sometimes wonder if they are victims of their own religion. There is no doubt that these men know that they are not what they claim to be. However if they were to come clean and tell the truth, what would become of the six million JWs that these men feel responsible for, who have invested their entire lives and hope in this false claim. Do they want to be responsible for over 6 million shattered dreams?
I wonder if once they reach this level in the organization and come to the stark realization themselves that this claim is not true, if they feel that keeping up the lie is the lesser of two evils and therefore justify keeping up the charade.
If this is not the case, I don’t know how these men can sleep at night.
i saw this on the wol forum.. http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000162
CNN reported yesterday that people should watch out for telephone
con-men taking advantage peoples emotions after the recent events.
They should have also warned about door to door con men!
as some of you may easily tell, i enjoy abusing others and rousing debate and anger.
however, just for a moment, i'd like to stop that trolling so that i may reach an answer to a question that has been running through my mind ever since i encountered this board over a month ago.
i would like to know why the participants on this board waste so much time and energy talking about jehovah's witnesses.. i have studied with the witnesses at one time, and of course, didn't agree with their doctrines.
keep your filthy paws off this site you damn ape troll!
i have never felt the intervention of the holy spirit in my life.
maybe that is one of the reasons i never felt like a good christian.. i think someone can take any situation and say it was the holy spirit acting in their life if they want to believe bad enough.
i saw my mother do this many times.. anyone here had any experiences that they felt was the holy spirit acting in their lives?
Francois,
I have read about this in books, it sounds like what is experienced by members of eastern religions during deep meditation.
It sounds very cool, Even if it is not HS and only in the mind.
I wonder why the WTS is so paranoid about this type of meditation?
Think I will find a Yoga class to join this week.
i have never felt the intervention of the holy spirit in my life.
maybe that is one of the reasons i never felt like a good christian.. i think someone can take any situation and say it was the holy spirit acting in their life if they want to believe bad enough.
i saw my mother do this many times.. anyone here had any experiences that they felt was the holy spirit acting in their lives?
Thanks to all who posted and for your experiences.
In my life I asked for Gods Holy Spirit to help in a way that would have saved my marriage. My spouse had doubts about my faithfulness in our relationship. I asked God that if it was his will to please remove these doubts, because he knows they were not true. She also prayed that either the doubts be removed or for the truth to come out. Well the doubts were never removed and only got worse until delusional thinking caused her to divorce with no evidence what so ever. I do believe however that she wanted to divorce and was hopeing that I was guilty so she would have grounds. Being that JWs can only divorce for adultery, I believe that this is what drove her to this conclusion, because she wanted it that bad.
So why didn't the Holy Spirit intervene in my case and remove the doubts of my spouse? No miracle of healing! No major task for something as powerful as the HS!
Some would say my faith was not strong enough. But I did at the time truly believe the Holy Spirit could do so. And since the bible says the God hates a divorcing I felt assured that my request was in line with Gods will.
So what went wrong?
Jang said:
Mine resulted in a broken ankle being completely healed instantly after I swore at God for not caring about me or my family.
Why did you receive Holy Spirit when you were swearing at God? Would that not show a lack of faith? And why only one time? Should I have been swearing at God instead of praying to him.
AGuest said:
I have had and continue to have DAILY 'experiences' with the holy spirit, due to the fact that such 'one' dwells IN me.
Why are you so lucky to have the spirit DAILY, while the rest of us don't get it at all, or maybe once in a life time?
to seeker: you said:
Similarly, stories where the person was certain it was the Spirit would need to be submitted for skeptical examination, not just taken on a person's word. At least, if you want anyone else to believe it, no matter how much it convinces you.
Good point and I agree with you here, because I don't know of any truly documented cases where this sort of thing has been proven against skeptical examination. I guess that's why they call it FAITH HEALING. It can't be proven, to just gotta have faith. (Least that’s what George Michaels said.)
To nytelecom1: LOL, Thank god your prayers were answered or you might have exploded. I wouldn’t want to have to clean up that mess.
To Abaddon:
Well, I don't know about the Holy Spirit. I like Jim Bean and Laphroigh though...
I prefer Johnny Walker. By the way what is Laphroigh?
To StifflersErSlayersBrother:LOL, Funny story, I have a good one about a woman who got the spirit in the Kingdom Hall parking lot when it was full of JWs but I will save it for another thread.
To SusanHere:Please share your experiences. I am asking because I am searching for answers to why I can't get any while others get more then they need.
to D wiltshire
I would like to believe I had an Experience that I could say was the Holy Spirit, but I'm afraid it might be just wishful thinking, and might just be my heart going along what other people are saying and not the Truth.
This is how I feel, I want to believe that it was Holy Spirit, and I did at the time. But now I am thinking that it was just wishful thinking or good timing.
To sleepy: I had a similar experience with a shadowy figure pushing on me from behind once, but I was tripping on acid at the time(I’m not kidding). It freaked me out and made me believe that doing drugs did invite demons. I never did acid again.
So back to my follow up question for those who believe that the HS is real. Why is the lord so stingy with his holy spirit, that some only get it once in a life time or never at all, while others are full of it all day long?(No pun intended)
Why didn't the Holy Spirit remove the doubts of my spouse and save my marriage? Was it simply that my spouse's will and desire for a divorce was stronger than the sprit?
Because of the sporadic nature of the experiences that I read and hear, lack of absolute proof as well as my own lack of experience, I am beginning to think that this whole HS thing is nothing more then a neurological phenomenon.
i think that they are making all this stuff up.".
this is the breakfast conversation that i had with my five year old daughter this morning.. "oh, really?
" i said, trying not to choke on my coffee.. "mom, what if i get disfellowshipped someday?
To Essie: Hello, good to meet you,
This is heart breaking; I am going through the same situation with my children, who are several years older than your daughter is. My ex beats our children when they don't want to go to the meeting.
You are doing the right thing by keeping the communication going.
Unfortunately You have no way to control what goes on at her other home. Keep the love and understanding flowing with her and yourself and she will be alright.
to: expatbrit
I got a question: At what age can a child be classified as a "mature minor", able to make their own decisions as to this type of issue?
Good question. I think that a child should at least be able to make that decision at the same age they can make a decision to get baptized into the religion. By JW standards that can be as young as 9 or 10. By this standard I think a child should be able to make a decision to not attend meetings having the same maturity level as one who decides to dedicate their life to the organization. However I also believe that children should obey the rules of their parent while living in their home. When my children expressed the desire to not go to meetings I asked them questions as to why, if they could give me a reasonable thought out answer, that was good enough for me. If they would say I DON'T KNOWWWWW to my question or just I’m tired, then I concluded that they had not used their reasoning ability to decide for themselves. Just my experience, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong I think it depends on the circumstances and maturity level of the children.
Sometimes young children don't know what’s best for them. I have to force my children to wear sun block when they go out into the blazing sun all day. Should I let them make their own decision and get sun cancer?
This may not be a good example here, but certainly this girls father believes he is doing what’s best for her.
hello guys,.
i must say that being labeled an apostate has made my life quite interesting.
i'm shunned every day at cosmetology school and the town i live in is small and i run into jw's all the time.
Hello Jurs,
I don't believe that we have met yet. It sounds like you want to go. So if you decide to, be as nice as you can to everyone there.
Look them strait in the eyes when you greet them. If they shun you, ask them if they are not feeling well and show concern for their well being. When you do this will make them even more uncomfortable, because they are acting out of fear. They will look like the fools.
Remember you have NOTHING to fear. This is just a programmed response taught by their leaders. It is the JWs who have the phobia of those labeled apostates. So use that to your advantage, you will be able to quickly tell who your true friends are.
Regards, Stealth
