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silentlambs speak in editorial letter

by silentlambs in

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letter to editor from the portland newspaper.. .

http://www.oregonlive.com/letters/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/editorial/10174065452784872.xml.

witnesses hide molestation the catholic church has hidden sexual abuse by moving guilty priests to new communities.

Sunspot

>>My mom sat me down and told me if I ever go out side to play and someone tries to grab me and I can't get away that I was to take my fingers and shove them in his eyes with all my might!<<

plmkrzy, What you said here reminded me of something that happened in my KH a few years ago. There had been a series on self-defense for women on the local news. One of the methods described as "quite successful" was to grab the testicles of the attacker and twist as hard as possible (sorry guys---ouch!) and then swiftly kick him in the same spot which should disable him pretty well, allowing the victim to get away.

I hadn't heard that before and I remember thinking that it sounded like it would be effective and easy to remember in a "panic", if needed.

The next day, a few of us were discussing that segment, and soon after it was "announced" that purposely touching the genitals of a man who was not your husband would be viewed as loose conduct, and this was NOT an option when fighting off an attacker!

I was totally amazed at that reasoning, it's not as if it would have been done for pleasure, but a method to escape and possibly save a life or an abduction. Whatever.

Once again, personal opinion passed off as bible principle.

Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......

Hugs,

Sunspot

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silentlambs speak in editorial letter

by silentlambs in

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letter to editor from the portland newspaper.. .

http://www.oregonlive.com/letters/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/editorial/10174065452784872.xml.

witnesses hide molestation the catholic church has hidden sexual abuse by moving guilty priests to new communities.

Sunspot

You have been posting information about this one account almost continuously over the past year.

I think its been milked for about all it can be.

Joel

Joel, that "information" is SO important to get "out there" in the public eye! I don't feel that this topic carries an expiration date, and SHOULD be given exposure as long as it's necessary to do so.

LOTS of information and links were provided to ME when I was "new" on h20, and as I SAW these provable facts for myself, my life was changed forever. What was "old stuff" to many, was news to ME.

Think of all the "new ones" just getting online, and seeing all KINDS of unfavorable things about the WTS being exposed. I don't think this could possibly be "milked for about all it can be". If even ONE new person finds interest in the article, then where's the problem?

Bill wrote

>>if you warn others in the congregation about a molester who denies the charge and you do not have two eye witnesses then you could be disfellowshipped for slander. In addition, the Society has never stated the policy regarding authorities in writing till the latest letter to BOE. I have talked to many victims who were threatened with df if they brought reproach on Jehovah's organization by going to the police. If those elders had of called the Society they would have been informed not to take action, yet some never called and some were actually df for calling the police. Sadly the Society never saw fit to recind their DF. What was the basis for df? Loose conduct-a disregard for theocratic order, in other words if you do not do as we say we df you.<<

So, Bill, what's REALLY changed within the watchtower walls? From here, it looks like NOTHING has changed, except for THEIR awareness that they're under closer scrutiny more than ever before.

That term "bringing reproach upon Jehovah's organization" makes my jaw clench as I read it. Don't you think they'd REALIZE that sweeping the rapes, sodomies and incests under a rug, and KNOWING that one day this WOULD all be discovered, that THAT would bring reproach to the Organization? What twisted thinking.

Do they EVER give one fleeting thought to the damage they have done/ still doing to the minds, hearts and families they are riding roughshod over? Talk about stiff necks and hard hearts.

KEEP writing, sending, publishing, shouting and informing people every way you can!

With big hugs and a tremendous appreciation for what you're doing,

Annie

(who's still trying to get on your mailing list--LOL!)

Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......

Hugs,

Sunspot

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It's Angharad's Birthday!

by ZazuWitts in

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wishing you a very happy birthday, dear angharad...and many more to come.

hope you have a nice celebration with your family.

we all appreciate all your efforts, too, in helping simon in keeping this forum going.

Sunspot

(clearing throat)

mimimimiiiii...(testing)

Happy birthday to you

Happy BIRTHDAY dear Angharad.....

Happy birthday to youuuuuuuuuuu!

Thank goodness I still remembered all the words <grin> it's BEEN awhile!

Have a GREAT birthday evening!

hugs,

Annie

Now that I got it all together, I forgot where I put it.

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Jehovah Witness Pastors Has A Sheep ...Arrested

by D wiltshire in

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jehovah witness pastors has a sheep in their care arrested.. hi my name is david wiltshire and i have suffered horribly from the hand of my pastors.

because i know longer believe the jehovahs witnesses are the only true religion i was disfellowshipped from all jehovahs witnesses i cant even come over their houses any more, they refuse to return my greetings.. the worst torture that they have put on me is that my little grand daughter, who i used to give horsy back rides to cant even be allowed so visit with me for fear both she and her parents could be disfellowshipped.

the watchpower teaches that you cant fellowship with disfellowshipped persons, so they are good jehovah witnesses and obey the watchpower.. some say the jehovah witness religion is a mind control cult.

Sunspot

>>I think I'm going to get a lawyer and sue the pants off of these elders of the Sunnyvale congregation for false arrest and I think I can win.<<

Dave,

I have been so touched and involved with your postings dealing with the Bryant tragedy, and then your treatment in the Sunnyvale Kingdom Hall..............

I hope you get SOME kind of satisfaction (legally, morally, spiritually, ethically, emotionally) in any way you CAN!!!!!

If you are in the position to "GO for it", then DO just THAT!! You have MANY who silently support you in this and respect who YOU are.

Hugs,

Annie

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I didn't have the heart!

by RR in

yesterday, a customer of mine who is a jw, gave me the latest mags.

we then brought up the issue with the pedophile priest.

and so we talked about it for a while, and she babbled about how the society would have turned them in and yadda, yadda.

Sunspot

>>I remember areading a Watchtower a while back, the article was quoting a Catholic who was upset because the Church had chnaged their view about the Mass. The guy went on to say something to the effect, "how can I trust the Church if they change their beliefs?" <<

RR, it's a very strange phenomena at work here. The JW mindset and manipulation is SO ingrained, that even the OBVIOUS is dismissed, and the "exposure" of OTHER religions and their "flaws" are swooped down upon like a hungry hawk spotting a mouse in an open field!

I agree totally...there IS no difference between the Catholic Clergy's "activities" now being exposed, and the JW's "activities" that will SOON be exposed on a national basis.

Just the IDEA that the WTS feels so very smug, superior and even cavalier in their finger-pointing at the position the Roman Catholic Church finds itself embroiled in........all the while being guilty of the very same disgusting practices, it makes ALL of us who KNOW what they've been "up" to, all the MORE anxious to see these lying hypocrites get the punishment due them.......

It WILL happen. The WTS will HAVE to "make an accounting" for all the lies they have knowingly told and be forced to face HOW their lies have ruined families, caused untold suicides, and resulted in gut-wrenching pain and confusion to the sheep who mistakenly trusted in them.

Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......

Hugs,

Sunspot

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Will JW Pedophiles get a pass from Dateline?

by Tanalyst in

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http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2002/3/22/194704 .

"some pedophiles get pass from - media" by carl limbacher discusses how some pedophiles are off limits to mass media.. which brings up the dateline program on jw pedophiles, which maybe is at the bottom of atlantic ocean as you read this.

last i heard it was ready to go, so what happened?.

Sunspot

Patience NOT being one of my virtues, I was also getting really agitated when the air date kept getting to seem more and more like a promise from the WTS....it's right around the corner, very soon now, etc.

The NBC/MSNBC network execs are no dummies, and are professionals at what they do. Just think how "delicious" it will be when we (and the world) see the results of the hard work done by ALL those involved in putting this most sensitive issue "out there".

Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......

Hugs,

Sunspot

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STRATTON Mayor Pissed Off

by MadApostate in

march 23, 2002. town take its no-door-to-door pitch to the top.

by francis x. clines.

stratton, ohio this village's wariness of the door-to-door solicitors denounced locally as "flim-flam men" has drawn the scrutiny of the u.s. supreme court, a fact that turns out to be a cause of local pride rivaling the steak dinners at abdalla's tavern.. "but we'll have even more pride if the court finally agrees with us," said john m. abdalla, the mayor, magistrate, steakhouse host and tireless factotum in this village of 277 residents.

Sunspot

>>Annie,

That was AWESOME!!!!<<

Thanks, Lisa!

I've sent that letter all OVER the U.S. and have gotten no response at all (sigh)

I hadn't even come back HERE (til now) to see if anyone had a reaction or a comment......thanks again for yours!

hus,

Annie

Now that I got it all together, I forgot where I put it.........

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Complaints

by Guyferna in

please only respond to this message if you read everything on here first.

thank you.. why do people spend most of their time here complaining?.

some say: the organization is too strict!.

Sunspot

>>This will be my last post on this page.<<

DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!! (three times for emphasis!)

And I had SO MUCH to say, uncomplainingly, of course.

Last post on THIS page............hmmmm, can we expect you to post on another page?

Bye-bye, Brother Hitandrun....

Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......

Hugs,

Sunspot

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2nd half of interview with Sharon Roe

by seven006 in

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this came out in todays issue of the news register.

it is the second half of a two hour two part interview.. http://204.200.26.244/news/story.cfm?story_no=147722.

sharon roe does not know why her brother-in-law, robert bryant, reached a place so dark he felt compelled to murder his children and wife in their beds before putting a shotgun to his chin and pulling the trigger.

Sunspot

Once again, Dave, thanks so much for sharing this with us.....

hugs,

Annie

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what started you to doubt?

by Imbue in

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i had this at kents and there were several thoughtful and interesting replies.

however, i would like to read some more.

actally abaddon asked me this question and started me to thinking.......... so i wrote back this: .

Sunspot

Like so many others here, LOTS of things bothered me, but I thought it was MY misunderstanding, or MY fault that things/practices/rules made me uncomfortable.

Sometimes even little things irritated the hell out of me......like EVERY year, having to sit through that condescending list of "do's and don'ts" on our "expected" behavior at District Conventions. Also being told which ONE we were supposed to attend. I used to inwardly groan when the Convention site was miles away, like in Canada, or ANYWHERE too far to drive back and forth to attend.

Trying to save enough money for the rooms (5 kids) travel, food for the whole time, money for the kids for entertainment; whatever, after
the sessions, new clothes for everyone....it WAS a burden for a lot of us.

And 90% of the time, the Conventions came at the SAME TIME as hubby's (non JW) vacation, when we could have ALL enjoyed going away to do something FUN as a family, but no, here I was, taking myself and the kids off to an "enjoyable" assembly...lucy me. I resented it more and more as the years went by.

When I was baptized, many members of my family disowned me, and told me I wasn't "in the family" any more, and I stayed away from ANY family functions for 26 years. A dear cousin had written to me by then, and personally invited me to our family reunion in MA, assuring me that the nastiness towards me was limited to a very small number of people and SHE wanted me there, so I went.

NATURALLY, the date of this much-anticipated reunion and the Circuit Assembly coincided, and I went to the reunion. At the next Book Study, Elder B asked why I missed that wonderful assembly (he lives right up the road from me, and KNEW we'd gone away for the weekend) and I told him I'd gone to a family function for the first time in 26 years, and his reply (in record time) was....YOUR FAMILY was in Rochester listening to instruction from Jehovah!!!)

My elation and joy of the weekend was smacked down, and I was supposed to feel guilty I guess, but I felt ANGER and resentment (of course, HIS entire family are all JWs, so he gets to SEE them all, new babies, etc, all the time)

The lack of love was THE biggest factor that "got" to me, being ignored for months due to disabilities (except for phone calls to get my Field Service Report) but it just went on and on and I got pissed.

At that point, along with many other things that were going on, ( four of my adult children got together for a few days and a few beers, I'd say, on vacation together after being scattered all over the country for a few years) and had discussed their JW upbringing and their anger-embarrassment-resentment of school days, etc. The end result was that they repaid me by not speaking to me (or returning email) and blamed me for everything from teen-age acne to failed love affairs....and there was NO reasoning with them. I cried for weeks, but still defended the "beliefs" the way I should.

The WAY I found out how my kids were belatedly pissed at me? My mother-in-law (the only "mother" I had since mine had disowned me in 1972)had died in MA, and I had tried to call/email my kids to let them know (great timing) and then it all hit the fan.

By THIS time I'm a basket case, and went on H20....and decided to LOOK at the information that different ones were providing, to prove the lies and manipulation that I had rejected and wouldn't look at before.......the Jimmy Swaggart "thing" was my first real slap in the face--my dose of reality. More followed of course.

I'd sit up nights with the blinds closed, after hubby was asleep, and just pore over site after site (Shaun's, Kent's, Randy's, Gator's and many more)getting more and more upset and devastated as I learned how badly I had been duped, and what I had put my entire family through all these years. And for WHAT.......a stinkin' lying publishing company. Give ME an "A" for stupid. I'll take my award and leave.

Sorry, but this is one of those deeply felt and pain filled topics that I can't answer in 10 words or less...... (I HEARD that out there-LOL) My kids (the ones who CAN and DO) still won't celebrate holidays with me, due to "feeling uncomfortable" about it. But that's another whole topic for another time.

Thanks, everyone, for bearing with me and thanks to Simon for a place to be ABLE to "get it out there".

Annie

Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......

Hugs,

Sunspot