after cruising the board for a while i must say it is amazing the ignorance that some show on this board of the true issues at hand.
those who are critical and small minded know who they are.
also the meek however angry know who they are as well.
"As far as my family is concerned, (Pandelo's) our family worked with the Watchtower since 1988 to resolve the issues. I think it has been more than a fair amount of time for them to iron things out."
Hello Justin,
WELL! I think MOST people would feel the same way! Bless your family for your patience and your courage.
Annie
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
well we got the phone call from the elder to let us know of the decision to disfellowship us.
the one elder called while the other sat on the phone as a "witness".
the second elder was once a close friend.
"The elder who called was the one elder on that body of elders that I felt knows deep down what is going on but goes along because his whole social structure depends on being loyal to the Watchtower. "
Hi Barb,
Isn't this a pitiful reason to remain in a "religion"......
"Thank you all for the incredible support on this board and also on WA if any of you are on this board."
WA has held me together more often than I can count since I left the Borg in 1999.
You sound very upbeat and positive. I'm so glad for you, your hubby, and you daughter. You have been in my heart and on my mind a lot recently.
{{{{{Pandelo Family}}}}}
Annie
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
well now we have it, what appears to be the pre-emptive strike from wt.. as of this friday three families who appeared on the dateline program have been informed judicial committees have been setup with a one week notice and it is alleged that they have been causing "divisions" within the organization.
i got my letter today, barbara anderson got hers yesterday and the other family earlier this week.. if you were a pr firm would you think it to be a good idea or a bad idea to df everyone a couple of weeks before the dateline program airs?
what do you think the american public will think of such a move?.
"While we may of course realize there are no grounds for such allegations that Jehovah’s Organization hides or protects those who molest or abuse children, it’s good for us to be able to answer those who may ask us, sincerely ask us, about this in our ministry. This evening we are going to look at some references and I encourage you to write them down and when you go home review them as a family…"
OMG, couldn't you just GAG? And the misled, loyal sheep will obediently write down their assigned "references" and rehearse-uh-discuss them as a family....armed and obedient to the "Theocratic Warfare" now set before them...and diligently preparing for the "persecution" of their beloved Brothers......I'm afraid this will only more firmly set their resolve and fan the flames of "the END is just around the corner".........
The burning I'm feeling is NOT the result of "hot flashes", but from righteous indignation.
Annie............who despises hypocrites
UADNA-NY
Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America-Upstate NY Division
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
this might be a piece of history some of you don't know about me.
i know a couple of you do.
so i'm hoping maybe y'all might have some suggestions in how i move forward.. my mother and father divorced when i was about 4. we lived in japan and my father was granted custody.
Go to GOOGLE.COM and type in "Japanese genealogy", it will bring up over 90,000 hits!
Again, hope this helps and best of luck!
hugs,
Annie
this might be a piece of history some of you don't know about me.
i know a couple of you do.
so i'm hoping maybe y'all might have some suggestions in how i move forward.. my mother and father divorced when i was about 4. we lived in japan and my father was granted custody.
Hi Billygoat
Here is the link to the Freedom of Information Act homepage...
Wishing you the very best of luck finding your Mom,
hugs,
Annie
barbara grizzuti harrison, a journalist and essayist whose writing on topics as diverse as the jehovah's witnesses and spike lee was distinguished by strong opinions and a willingness to cast herself into the action, died wednesday in new york of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
she was 67.. read the whole article, it's great!.
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-000029874apr27.story?coll=la-news-obituaries.
"I miss her, and I barely knew her"
This is SO hard to write...........
When I was just learning (on H2O) in '99, for the most part, about the lies I had accepted and governed my life by...........one of the books that was suggested was one by Barbara G. Harrison.
I had gone to our tiny local library one afternoon to find her book. They didn't have the one I wanted, but did have another by her (and I cannot remember either title) so I took that one and headed for the checkout desk.
DIDN'T the wife of an elder walk up to the desk at the very same time!! And didn't I slide the book over so the title didn't "show", only to see her picture on the back flap!!
Somehow, I KNEW that just EVERYONE would know exactly who BGH was and what she wrote about <grin> and I all but died a hundred times that day, waiting for the librarian to "get it over with" and let me leave with my book!!!!
My first "courageous act" as an apostate-to-be and I was caught red-handed!! I've thought of that so many times and laughed.
I happened to have BGH's name on my "Buddy List" and saw her online many times....I had always wanted to share my "library experience" with her, but always chickened out....either email or Instant Message to her....(I'll do it another time) and I could never summon up the courage.
When I learned of her death.......well, I guess I can leave the rest unsaid, except to add that it may have made her smile, huh?
Sadly,
Annie
it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.
the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.
failure to report can result in civil liability.
"I have talked to hundreds of victims of abuse, devoted hundreds of hours of my time, and thousands of dollars from my pocket to assist victims to report child molesters as well as require the change of WT Policy. Sadly your positions are to "face no sanction" or requirement of reporting if they do not wish to do so. The child molesters need more men with opinions like yours, you service them well."
Ahhh, yes. Let's by all means, perpetuate this travesty instead of taking positive steps to eradicate it!
"Yet here I sit tonight after talking to six victims today for five hours on the telephone wasting my mental effort offering answers to two pompous nobodies who by their comments show they would rather defend a position of WT Policy rather than get off their cowardly backsides and work for victims of molestation."
Bill, your dedication and sacrifice on behalf of all the little victims stands only to be admired.
Where was it said, that "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem"?
Hugs,
Annie
although your mentor chuck russell proclaimed that jehovah god lived on a "planet" (hahahahahahaha!
), namely pleiades, modern astro-physics has shown he was quite insane.
just lie down on consecutive clear nights and watch the heavens.
"What the WTS has done is much more eggregious than simple foul words. It cannot be ignored."
Amen, Doug, AMEN!
Hugs,
Annie (The "glad Farkel is still posting here" class)
ok, here's how it is.. i just finished reading the "dead" thread.
now, listen.
i do not believe in life after death.
"Now, listen. I do not believe in life after death."
Oh, Jason.......at THIS point I don't know what I believe in, at least you have THAT!
You are smart, funny, talented and not too hard to look at (REMEMBER, I'm a grandmother, kiddo!) and obviously wanting to get your marriage back on track......I can certainly appreciate your position here.
Only YOU can decide what will be best for YOU at this point. All I can offer is loving support for whatever you choose to do.
Take care....
hugs,
Annie...........who wanted to tell you I'd like to run up there and give you a swat in your Djibouti, but I won't!
i am just curious.
unfortunately i don't think i'm going to be able to do the slow fade as i had hoped.
there is no way they are going to df me, if i go it will be on my terms!
"I don't think they are going to just forget about us."
I'm afraid you're right, Hon.
"my friend asked if she would see me at the circuit assembly this coming weekend. I said I wasn't sure if we'd be there or not. If I said no she'd want to know why if I said yes she'd be expecting me to be there."
And this type of questioning will go on and on and on (three times for emphasis) if you just try to "fade away".....you'll always feel as if you have to "make an accounting" for WHY you weren't HERE and HOW COME you weren't THERE as "expected". I hated the thought of those "squirmy" feelings whenever I was asked, and then having to sound credible as I answered.....UGH!! I'm not a liar by nature either, and never did it well......my kids used to tell me never to get a job with the CIA...LOL!
Above all, to thine own self be true...damned if I know who said that---but it speaks volumes.
Examine YOUR circumstances, YOUR needs as a family, and let the decision BE yours! I know your dilemma,I know it stinks, and I have sent mental hugs to you all day, cuz you've been in my thoughts....
hugs,
Annie
