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  How IGNORANT can you be and still be a Jehovah's Witness in GOOD standing?

  by Terry in

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  as i have said many times, i did not really study jw teachings in depth until i went to prison.. i had a period from 1959 to 1967 when i---sort of----could explain things to a shallow depth.

  once i entered that profound place in my head (while in federal prison) when everything got serious.....i entered a secret room, so to speak, where.

  all the mysteries were hidden!.

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  How many JWs could use the bible to show how they arrive at 1914? One of the most important dates in all of history according to WT theology, yet I would guess that less than 10% of them could demonstrate the method for calculating it.

  When I still believed the troof but was doing my own research on 1914, I spoke to a few brothers ( at least 3 of them elders) about the WT 1914 chronology. Nobody had any grasp on the reasoning. Some would even say stuff like, "Jeremiahs 70 years has nothing to do with how we arrive at 1914".... they are clueless

  Once I saw how the WTS manipulates and idealizes its own history the flood gates opened.

  Now I know the 'mentally diseased' are more familiar with the WT teachings than most JWs.

  JWs are ignorant. Ignorant of their of own beliefs, ignorant of science. But they know its the truth.
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  Lot's of talk on the July Watchtower?

  by noonehome in

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  so i've heard lots of talk from within about the 'new light' in this watchtower...i'm yet to look at it in any detail.

  i'm kind of surprised actually...i first heard about it here before it was even available but close to the time it did come out people started bringing it up - even our co.. some say things like "have you heard about this?

  " or "big changes," or "allot of things they said we believed, i didn't realize,"(lots of that) or "brain-overload" or " too much information, but i've never felt more pumped up" or "it's soo exciting to see jehovah's spirit lead his organization..." or "it requires time to sink in, but it's a good feeling!

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  A JW can remain in the doubting state for their entire life, or they can wake up at some point. It usually takes an emotional event of some sort to push them through the cognitive dissonance and start acting on their concerns.

  This is so true. I believe that nearly all JWs would have doubts about some things. The problem is the cognitive dissonance is so strong, and they are stuck in the constant cycle of meetings , study, field service, conventions, assembly's, special talks, CO visits and so on, they can never get off the treadmill.

  The have been taught that information critical of Gods Organization is Satanic. JWs will not scrutinize their religion out of fear of death at Armageddon. It is the mind control that keeps millions of good people trapped in this religion.

  And the worst part is, it actually all crumbles pretty quickly once you put the religion under scrutiny. The latest Watchtower on the FDS is a prime example. The leaps in logic are ridiculous, yet the R&F will accept it as directly from God.
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  Where else to go.I sticking up for the WTS.

  by joe134cd in

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  now i am going to do a rear thing here and i am going to stick up for the wts.

  i realise that the wts hasn't got the best of track record, and sure they have made mistakes.

  but if i was to go to another church wouldn't they still have the same issues.

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  Absorb yourself in theocratic activities and in personal WT study and in spreading the WTS's literature because the GT will soon strike, and you need to be in the spiritual ark (God's Organization).

  And remember, recreation of the right kind and in the right amount has its place and can be refreshing. Even the desire for sexual relations with your marriage partner are fitting, kept in their place. If you head down to the beach, keep your formal clothes on please, you are representing Jehovah.

  Enjoy the JW lifestyle in all it's glory I say.
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  Science vs God : Its The Collapse Of Physics As We Know it

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhz4mb9gky.

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  Reminds me a bit of this.... “God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance.” Neil deGrasse Tyson
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  They just won't stop

  by Anony Mous in

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  so ~2 years ago i left the jw cult, i had an exit talk with the elders with the reasons why and they couldn't find a reason to df me.

  been happy ever since even though i went through a difficult custody and now divorce proceedings.

  now all of a sudden they want to df me.

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  Yes this is a completely normal religion. It is actually just a restoration of 1st century Christianity.

  Maybe one of the elders wants to marry your ex-wife.
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  New GB pic 2013?

  by Joliette in

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  i saw a new gb pic on a youtube channel i tried doing a google search for 2013 pics but nothing came up.

  man, those guys got old fast!

  they all look much younger in 2009..

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  No surprises the new guy is chubby and bald. Jehovah seems to have a thing for that type.
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  The United Nations will attack Christendom

  by Doug Mason in

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  this is a serious question and i hope to receive intelligent explanations.. .

  the wts says that the great tribulation lies in the future.

  they write that it will start when the united nations attacks christendom.. .

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  The UN turning on religion theory is one of the main doctrines that helped me discover TTATT. It is so incredibly stupid.

  They love crapping on 'Christendom', well what about Islam? How are the UN going to get rid of Islam? This would be impossible. Even if this was possible it would take many generations, and I mean the 100-200 year WT style over-lapping generations.

  Look at how hard it is to destroy the Taliban in Afghanistan. How will they stop nuclear armed Muslim countries like Iran and Pakistan? The answer I get from JWs is 'god puts it in their hearts'....

  JWs love speculating how the worlds political powers are going to go after religion (any day now) to fix their financial problems. This kind of deluded reasoning shows how little some of them understand basic economics. They don't take time to think about it, they just know that it will happen because they read it in a WT.

  Just about every JW expects to wake up one day with 'The UN Turns On Religion' plastered all over the news. Poor suckers.
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  The Lion Will Eat Straw Like An Ox In The New System

  by frankiespeakin in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm3sqb7pgdm.

  the wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent's food.

  they will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says the lord..

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  I don't care what the lion eats as long as I can eat the lamb.
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  How is Life measured at Death?

  by Monsieur in

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  recently an old friend died in an accident at the tender age of 35. the unfortunate event has been described from 'sad' to 'unfair' etc.. dying of old age is one thing, dying of sickness even.. but dying abruptly in an accident (or worse, being eaten by another creature, shark etc) is downright ludicrious.. if there is no afterlife in any shape or form, and one dies being struck by a surviving drunk driver or murdered at a theater, a tornado, or mauled by piranhas, what the hell is the point of that??.

  what of all your work to raise a good family, helping your fellow man, doing good deeds, building something etc.??.

  it's almost laughable to think that one can do all these things and in the broad spectrum of things death can make it all ultimately meaningless....

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  Sorry to hear about your friend Monsieur.

  Since learning that the WT religion is a scam, I have come to realize how precious this life we have is. I think about my own mortality and that of the ones I love. I never gave much thought to dying young, now I see it as the tragedy it is.

  When you are a JW life just passes by without really being appreciated. Some JWs almost hate this life because they believe a much better Satan free life is just around the corner. Like prologos said, we should live this life the best we can, it is the only life that is guaranteed.

  What is that saying.... 'Keep looking for answers, beware of those who say they have them'. Something like that.
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  How to identify Publishers who know TTATT

  by His Excellency in

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  since coming to know ttatt, i have always wondered if there are others in the congregation who also share similar experience with me, are there pointers to identifying others who are also faking meeting attendance and fs activities..

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  Exwhyzee that is a great list of telltale signs, I can relate to every point you made.

  I am always elbowing my wife when the GB worship is being promoted or the speaker is taking scriptures way out of context. I mostly spend the meeting just reading the bible. I cannot stomach the songs and rarely bring my own WT magazine.

  I think slim is right, it is very hard to continue a normal JW routine once you have awakened. I have only attended two mid week meetings since the Jeremiah book started and have not been witnessing since I learned TTATT. I got through the memorial season without doing any field service despite some pressure from the elders to participate. I have knocked back a few sheparding visits. I missed the special talk and the zone talk on the weekend.

  Eventually anyone who learns TTATT will stop attending IMO. It can literally drive you crazy trying to live the JW life when you know the truth, so you either stop going to meetings or lose your mind.