i suppose part of the fascination i have with this board is, the exotic nature of those making up the member population.
i say exotic because, as you yourselves will agree with, folks such as yourselves don't hang around the christian congregation for long upon making the decision that truth is not for you.
(rom 1:25) this "fading" thing spoken of here likely plays a role into why christians such as me find the average ex-jw to be a bit fascinating.
"Modified truths" is good, but here are some of my favorite expressions that the WTS has used in describing the false things they use to teach as truth....
"past truths"
"cherished errors"
"formerly cherished views"
"an expressed opinion"
So to use another WT expression, you could say "The Truth" = "inaccurate concepts".
What can I say, I am just not humble enough to accept "The Truth".
i suppose part of the fascination i have with this board is, the exotic nature of those making up the member population.
i say exotic because, as you yourselves will agree with, folks such as yourselves don't hang around the christian congregation for long upon making the decision that truth is not for you.
(rom 1:25) this "fading" thing spoken of here likely plays a role into why christians such as me find the average ex-jw to be a bit fascinating.
Stay off this board you hypocrite.
Learning the truth about "the truth" wasn't an enjoyable experience for me, and either is trying to fade while my family are held hostage.
Your head is stuck up your self-righteous JW arse. If you ever successfully dislodge it, come and join us as we wallow in our freakish apostate misery.
Oh and one more thing.... Praise Satan!
i read steve hassan's book and he mentioned about buzz words or triggers that call out the cult personality of a victim of mind controlling cult.
when you were in, what triggered you?.
Headship, Headship principle.
Theocracy, Theocratic arrangements.
This system, the wicked system, Satans system.
so...the wife wants to go to new york.
she wants to visit the holy land and see the new bible museum.
( sorry, trying not to vomit..) do you have any idea what it costs to fly to ny and get a room?
New lights. They get brighter and brighter.
so let's say i've thought about having some vinyl lettering printed up and stuck on the back windshield of the car to publicize ttatt...what should it say?.
"do you know ttatt?".
"jehovah's witnesses are a cult that breaks up families".
Lol DD. My return visit is your Mom.....
No taxes, no charity, no problem. That is pretty good.
let's be serious - if you really want people to have faith and to be able to now absolute truth why not perform miracles.
why not make the bible a blank book and when you open it, it addresses you personally in writing of course.
for instance it says, "hey confusedandalone this is what i need you to do.
Village Girl -
Why is Cofty so filled with just mean spirited hatred
for random anything and what exactly is his world view?
from cofty I see nothing but, anti-life, anti-love, anti-hope.
wallowing in what seems to be depression and a level of
thinking we see in nine year old boys, or two year old's
having temper tantrums.
I don't see any mean spirited hatred. For the most part, I just see pure logic and solid reasoning, with all of his claims and arguments based firmly in reality.
If believers want to be encouraged by like minded people, I am sure there are forums for that.
If someone states as a fact that a man lived inside a fish for 3 days, or a snake talked to a woman, or *insert bible miracle here*, I think they should expect to come up against opposition to their ideas.
Just because someone rejects the idea of a invisible creator, and likes to debate the idea, doesn't mean he is full of hatred or anti-life. Rejecting superstitious ideas for lack of evidence is not throwing a tantrum.
some people don't realise that attacking darwin's personal life over evolution is nonsensical as he was not the only scientist with the theory at the time.
many scientists were debating the idea including darwin's father and grandfather.
amongst the people throwing the theory around was a young poor welshman with a love for biology and questions, his name was alfred, yes everyone could calm down a welsh :) man called alfred wallace was also on the case...... many don't know that he contributed much to the theory too.
I liked the quotes you put together there. It seems Wallace had a real humble attitude, and the bottom two, well..... lets not get the thread off topic.
let me share one possible way:.
say you're out in the ministry with another asleep jw and it's your turn to speak to the householder.
you can steer the conversation in such a way that you can talk about the pharisees' unreasonable interpretation of the sabbath law and how it was contrary to what god intended.
Cough cough cult cough
i was thinking about a few things confusedandalone said the other day.
i mirrored his thinking identically.
for me it was having kids that made my decision to leave an easier one.. if i had no children, i might still be in and just going through the motions.
Easier for sure.
I might still be going to the occasional meeting and even kept up a monthly appearance witnessing if I had no children. It would make some of my family relationships much better and I could have kept some friends.
Upon learning ttatt, the weight of responsibilty I felt in not letting my kids become JWs was huge.
It is not fair to drag my kids along to weekly indoctrination sessions and demand they keep still and quiet. I wasted my youth being a JW, it is the last thing I want for my kids.
what is the value of our knowledge?.
i respect all beliefs for what they are.
but many of us are being treated condescendingly by those who have more certainty than we atheists do.
After weeks and even months of researching the WTS and all their failed predictions, deliberate deceptions and so on, I obviously concluded that the WT religion was not the truth.
I held on to a belief in the bible and Jesus for a brief moment afterward. This belief in Jesus and the bible lasted only weeks not months. For me, it just doesn't make any sense logically or provide any satisfying answers.
Tec, when you say "listen to Christ", could explain exactly what this means as succinctly as possible?
For me, and I mean no offense, your constant claims of having heard this and that, and having such and such revealed to you by Jesus, just makes Jesus seem like a dick. What makes you so special to get this attention from the Lord? Why does he choose to communicate so clearly and so directly with you, but others get nothing? Why won't he speak to me?
I spent my youth and young adulthood trying to please him. Can I not even get a "Hello, how's it going? Jesus loves you better days are just around the corner", or something? Anything??
I have prayed thousands of times, but I have not heard a peep.
