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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

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...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

sunstarr

conflicted,

I apologize. I did not mean to misinterpret your words. Thank you for clarifying. Many on this forum like to point the finger at God and declare that he is wrong for the events that have taken place in humanity's history. Forgive me for classifying you as one of them. As for the final part of your post:

He makes man perfect - knowing full well that perfection would be removed.
He makes man to live forever - knowing that he will have to curse men later.
He set forth a rule that he knows man will break, then requires his son/second in command to die a horrible death to buy back the souls men. When they are in the situation He put them in in the first place.

I believe that this is judging a situation without having all the facts. We are in the midst of a book that is still being written. True, these things could be disturbing if that is all that mankind had to go on. If the book of humanity was complete, that would be a very distressing thing. However, the final chapters have yet to be written from mankind's point of view. We don't know what the future, or more appropriately God, has in store for us. Perhaps the final chapters will reveal much as to the importance of the former ones.

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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

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...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

sunstarr

The difference here is that Nostradamus was a man - he has no power to force planes to crash.

To say this indicates that God forces his prophecies to come true. I have never seen any evidence that would lead me to believe God has forced any prophecy. Which leads us to:

There are two possibilities here: God knows what is going to occur beforehand, or God makes things happen as he sees fit.

Given my statement above, I would have to say that God knows what will happen beforehand. Finally,:

If God already knows what is to occur then the 'experiment' of Adam and Eve was preordained and destined to fail.

Perhaps that is true. Perhaps God did know that Adam and Eve would fail. Does that mean that God has in some way been mistaken? Is there any human that can rightfully answer that question? Let's not forget: "the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God." (1 Co. 3:19) For any man to point a finger at God and say He's wrong for doing what he does is ridiculous. God knows what he's doing. Our lack of ability to foresee the outcome doesn't make Him wrong.

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In the big scheme of things, Jesus'....

by SixofNine in

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...suffering was not so bad.

his "perfection" and understanding of the situation would certainly have mitigated his suffering.. his death was not really death, not in any meaningful sense.

it was a 15 second nap, using bible reasoning.

sunstarr

The fact is, true believers say the Bible DID prophecy that Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, and the Bible DID say that Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Therefore, Judas fulfilled Bible prophecy. Had he not done as he was required to do, would would God have done? Let his prophecy remain unfilfilled? Force someone else to fulfill the prophecy through some sort of mind-control? Killed Judas for not doing what he was supposed to do?
Judas was fucked no matter how you look at it.

Hindsight sure is 20/20, isn't it? Sorry, Fark, but I think that's the biggest bunch of poo I've ever heard. There have been posts on this forum displaying a prophecy from Nostradamus indicating the fall of the towers in NY. Some have put weight to that prophecy, and some have not. Suppose that prophecy was true and was intended for the NY tragedy. Does that mean that Nostradamus forced the hijackers to run the planes into the buildings? Of course not! It was a PROPHECY. The point of a prophecy is to foretell the future, to predict what will happen. Just because a prophecy is given, that does not mean the prophet is manipulating the events. If Judas had not done what he had done, then God would have been wrong. But God wasn't wrong. The prophecy came true. He is not to blame for the actions of Judas. Yes, Judas was fucked. Why? Because he fucked himself.

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Evolution/Creation

by FrightMare in

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a professor is debating with one of his students, a christian: .

professor: "let me explain the problem science has with jesus christ.

" the atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

sunstarr

I imagine there will be plenty of people on this board who don't agree with that line of reasoning. Nonetheless, I like the story. Thanks for the post FM.

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There was someone who could have stopped it

by bboyneko in

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yeah it turns out this one guy knew all about, knew where the planes where headed, knew that thousands were gonna die, and he could have stopped it easily.

but he didn't, he stood by and let it happen.

what a sick fuck.. guess who he is?.

sunstarr

Is this poll open for votes?? I'll take #4.

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god needs his axx kicked

by messenger in

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where i live there have been calls for massive prayer meetings for all the victims of the terrorist attack.

my question would be, if god is so great and loving why didn't he stop the damn planes to begin with?????.

if the supposed great all powerful being had the power to stop something such as this and just let it all happen, the what fool would think he is going to give a rat's ass about the victims after the fact.. if there is a power who takes action in behalf of the victims, i hope they stomp a mud hole in the ass of those who caused this to happen and when they are finished do a little stomping on god for doing nothing.

sunstarr

I suppose that you are one of those christians who thinks that the jews are gods chosen? If so, would i be right in supposing that you would feel it was right for israelis to take away the property, businesses and bank accounts of palistinians?

I believe that the Jews were God's chosen people. As far as the second question, I try to leave the judging to God.

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god needs his axx kicked

by messenger in

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where i live there have been calls for massive prayer meetings for all the victims of the terrorist attack.

my question would be, if god is so great and loving why didn't he stop the damn planes to begin with?????.

if the supposed great all powerful being had the power to stop something such as this and just let it all happen, the what fool would think he is going to give a rat's ass about the victims after the fact.. if there is a power who takes action in behalf of the victims, i hope they stomp a mud hole in the ass of those who caused this to happen and when they are finished do a little stomping on god for doing nothing.

sunstarr

Just think, sunstarr, if you'd only known to pray that no planes hit buildings today, we might have been spared this disaster.

Perhaps. But mine is only to ask. It doesn't mean the answer will be "yes." If the answer is "no", then who am I to point a finger at my Creator? I expected to get a little static from this post. If you want to believe that there is no God, then that's your business. I only replied because a statement such as:

Save your prayers for when god gives evidence he gives a shit.

implies that those who do believe in a Creator should forsake their beliefs. Of course, under normal circumstances I wouldn't fault someone for not believing the same as I. Yet in response to the above quote, I felt compelled to be a bit of an ass.

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god needs his axx kicked

by messenger in

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where i live there have been calls for massive prayer meetings for all the victims of the terrorist attack.

my question would be, if god is so great and loving why didn't he stop the damn planes to begin with?????.

if the supposed great all powerful being had the power to stop something such as this and just let it all happen, the what fool would think he is going to give a rat's ass about the victims after the fact.. if there is a power who takes action in behalf of the victims, i hope they stomp a mud hole in the ass of those who caused this to happen and when they are finished do a little stomping on god for doing nothing.

sunstarr

You got it, TR. Prayers all around. They're on the house.

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god needs his axx kicked

by messenger in

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where i live there have been calls for massive prayer meetings for all the victims of the terrorist attack.

my question would be, if god is so great and loving why didn't he stop the damn planes to begin with?????.

if the supposed great all powerful being had the power to stop something such as this and just let it all happen, the what fool would think he is going to give a rat's ass about the victims after the fact.. if there is a power who takes action in behalf of the victims, i hope they stomp a mud hole in the ass of those who caused this to happen and when they are finished do a little stomping on god for doing nothing.

sunstarr

What a sad, sad state it must be for a person like you to have faith in nothing. I'll pray for you too.

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Watchtower Article Titles We'll Never See

by COMF in

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i saw redhorsewoman's thread title, "the time is at hand", and knew why she picked it: because the society uses that phrase all the time (or used to when i was in, anyway... i'm betting they still do).

it reminded me of a district assembly part from along about 1983 called "now is the time" (can any of you brighter types guess which song they chose to accompany it?).

this got me to thinking of how the society has these pet phrases they use over and over again, often featuring them in some thinly reworked format (like going from "now is the time" to "the time is at hand") as article titles.

sunstarr

The Bible - God's Word or Man's?

Oh, wait.....they have that one already.