xj, if you would have related this story exactly as you did, but this time instead of the woman being a leftist, you portrayed her as a j-dub, all the posters who were incensed by your generalizations would now be patting you on the back.
its ok to insult people.............it just has to be the right people.
This observation seems to be accurate regarding this board.
Meanwhile, I'm sorry for what you encountered at the restaurant, but am grateful to you for having the courage to stand up for yourself and for giving the mother the opportunity to make things right with you and with her children. Obviously, she is lacking in vital skills of social interaction.
People respecting the simple rules of polite behavior make life better for all of us. That's what manners are for. Sadly, there are far too many today who believe they are entitled to act however they choose, without regard for the rights or feelings of others. Most of them are encountered only in frustrating or annoying situations such as you described regarding the restaurant, but by the time those out of control children are grown, they might well have advanced to less benign offences.
Good for you for speaking up. If more people did, maybe at least some parents would be shamed into taking control while there's still time to help their children learn basic decency.
Susan
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What's Wrong With Some Parents?
by XJW4EVR intoday, i go over to a fast food place for lunch, and while i am walking to find a table with my food, a group of rowdy and unsupervised 10-12 year olds come tearing through the restaurnat, and one of them runs into me.
my food and drink goes flying, and i shoot daggers at the stupid brat.
this brat doesn't even apologize.
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What is the meaning of life?
by frankiespeakin ini was reading about experiences of those who smoked 5meo-dmt, found in the venom of certain toads, i had got a hold of 1/2 of gram of the 99% pure stuff and smoke it about 20 or 30 times, it a very intense trip, that allows you to see thru many of the progams we got running around in our minds and concepts we've been brainwashed with from government and culture(that's about the best way i can discribe it).
any way this experience that i take a quote from is after he came down enought to be able to speak english(i often spoke in tongues when first becoming able to speak) i thought he gave a pretty good answer to the question:i felt so clear-headed about everything that i asked my friends to just go ahead and ask me something, anything.
one of them asked me 'what's the meaning of life?
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Everyone deciding for themselves all those things is pretty dangerous. Haven't we just endured a week of news coverage regarding a pedophile/possible murderer (if not of JonBenet then maybe someone else -- the guy's a sicko)? Isn't that by itself enough to show that in real life people can't just decide for themselves what is right in all things?
I thought that kind of naivity went out with the flower children. It was a nice idea, but it just didn't work.
Susan
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What Christian religions do not believe in a burning hell?
by jwfacts ini am interested in finding out if christianity still teaches a burning hell.
it is my understanding that they are starting to drop this teaching as just a figurative place.
is that true?.
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LDS (Mormons) do not believe in a burning hell.
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Are the "Last Days" an Absurdity? (8/15 WT)
by metatron inhow could anyone know objectively if they live in the "last days", if they fail to examine history?
how would anyone know if things were .
actually worse?
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Good job, Metatron. You're right on the money with this one. Yes, things are not perfect, and with current situations (middle East, etc.) things might get worse someday soon, but it's foolish to refuse to recognize significant progress where it has been made.
I'm cutting and pasting this one for future reference when writing my sister, the JW.
Take care and God bless!
Susan
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I need some friendly support...
by LuciousJ inso, we left the org.
back in december.
i went & visited my mother in february & shared with her some of the research i had found.
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Hi Lucious,I'm really sorry you had to experience such a painful rejection from your mother. You know she doesn't really believe her own words because of how liberal she has been in the past. It has to be someone in the organization twisting the screws on her to cause such a knee-jerk type of reaction from her. Maybe it's all the latest "end of this system is now" talk. Who knows.
The same thing has happened repeatedly with my JW sister, who sends birthday cards and Christmas gifts (in Christmas wrapping!), yet when I thank her she will, as often as not, insist that she didn't send anything at all. In one childishly silly exchange between us, she refused to admit the gift came from her (addressed by her own hand so no doubt about it), so I sent back a letter expressing my sadness that the "wonderfully loving sisterly gesture" wasn't really from her after all. She immediately wrote back saying, yes it really was her and she was glad I liked what she sent. So lame!! Why not just say, "I'm so glad you liked it! I bought it just for you!" to begin with, like any normal person would.
Obviously, it's tough living a double life as JWs have to do if they want to have anything like a normal relationship with us non-JWs. It must be especially difficult if, like my sister, they grew up knowing the joys of sharing special holidays and other family experiences that are now forbidden to them.
It's just so sad. They have to master double-think and are always walking a tightrope, afraid someone will find out they :::::GASP:::::: bought and mailed a birthday card.
I hope your mother will soon resume normal contact with you and your children. There's really no excuse for the pain she has caused you, but for sure, she's causing even more pain for herself. You have your children, your family. She has nothing.
Hug your children for her, until she returns to her senses and can hug them again for herself.
Good luck and God bless always,
Susan
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We are a Return Visit for the Mormans
by Bonnie_Clyde inthought i sent this an hour ago, but apparently it didn't go.
for about a year morman elders called on us off and on.
finally clyde called it off.. but recently a new set of elders started coming.
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This thread is sad because of the many ignorant comments being made against a people whom most of you seem to know nothing about other than some rumors you've heard or read but never bothered to check out for yourselves. Then when someone who actually is a practicing Mormon suggests your information is less than correct, you mock us and say we are brainwashed, or don't know our own religion, or some other such tripe. Very disrespectful of you.
JimTX, you said:
While visiting the 'temple', I learned something that was a bit disconcerting to me... and that is that if a Mormon family wants to - they can get 'baptized' (I believe that's the term) - in the name of an ancester - and be 'joined' to them - supposedly for when they die and go to heaven.
Not sure that bit makes sense in type - but basically - if I understood it correctly - they can get great-grandmaw 'joined' to the Mormons - even after she's dead and long gone - even if she wasn't a Mormon - or didn't want anything to do with them.
Of course... I saw it as a really cool con that the Mormons have figured out - cause you know that there is a 'fee' involved for this 'service'.Well, no. There is not one red cent charged as a fee for this service. You don't even have to be Mormon to have it done, if you want it, though Mormons would be the ones doing the work for you. As with all that we do, Temple work is free. The workers volunteer their time. Nobody makes us do that. It is a free choice.
You can also spend a fortune buying geneology how-to books, taking classes, hiring geneologists to research your lines, and so on. Or you can go online to the LDS (Mormon) website and download the free programs that enable anyone to do the research. You can go to any of the thousands of Family History Centers for free, use their computers for free, have the volunteers there assist you for free. You can even go to the huge main center in Salt Lake and use their geneological facilities at no charge.
We also host Preparedness Fairs, open to the public at no charge, with information that will help people with practical matters such as how to make out a Living Will, how to care for elderly relatives, or other needful information everyone might need. If you don't want to attend such events, the same information is available online at the same website. You don't even need to give any personal information to obtain it, so nobody will bother you.
I know it's a foreign concept to many people, but some people actually do try to do the right thing just because it is the right thing to do.
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my daughter leaves for the ARMY thursday
by purplesofa ini have four sons and my youngest is a daughter.. she leaves for the army on thursday.
i am in a state of panic and emotion to try to convince her to not go.. i just heard on tv that becuase of the rising violence in bahgdad, bush is sending more troops to iraq.
the developments in isreal and lebanon only seem to be escalating.......the un asking britian and us for help but because of prior commitments......(iraq) are unable.
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You probably won't want to hear it, but the military is not such a bad thing. Both hubby and I were military. My only regrets from my military time is that I was too young to take advantage of all the opportunities presented to me. Other than that, it was a wonderful experience for me.
I have two sons now who are active military, one Navy and one Army. The Army son is in the Gulf. He is in harm's way and we are more than a little anxious about his safety. He sent the most beautiful email out to all the family, though, sharing his deepest thoughts and feelings with us all in case he doesn't return. Where he will be and what he will be doing combine to make him a prime target, and he knows that. He's just trying to do what needs to be done to preserve the freedoms that so many over here take for granted.
My Navy son will be over there in another month, for the third time. He is a gentle, intelligent young man who is doing what he believes is right and necessary. The sad thing with him is that he can't even wear his uniform in San Diego without having people shout obscenities and challenge him to fight. What's wrong with my fellow Americans that they can have such animosity towards our military personnel?
If my sons die in military action how many Americans will honor or respect their sacrifice?
As for your daughter, she should have gotten a guarantee of a school. If not, no telling where she will be trained, or in what specialty. If she did get a guarantee, she may have chosen training that would be nearly certain to keep her stateside. You didn't say why she decided to enlist. Whatever the reason, you are right to worry, right to have concerns, but once she goes, she'll need your support, your love, and hopefully, your pride.
Susan
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Hi! Any other Latter Day Saints here?
by ElderBarry inhi my name is lisa.
i'm not an elder of course and never have been.
i was a jw for just a few years and then relocated and left it behind.
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Hi, Lisa,
I am LDS, now and forever. Best decision I ever made.
I was raised Protestant, but have JW family members whom I dearly love, including one sister. She and I have had many, many discussions regarding our life paths. She feels sadness for my choice (LDS) but does grudgingly praise the LDS Church for such things as our youth programs, Sunday School (she loved Sunday School when we were Protestant children), our Family Home Evening program, early-morning Seminary for the 9th through 12th graders, our strong stand on moral issues, and a dozen other things.
She knows her children might have turned out better if they had had some of those things in their lives, and will wistfully admit it, but will then add a statement like, "But they didn't have those things in Jesus' day so we don't need them now either." Over the years she has gradually lessened the number of times she bothers to defend the JW lifestyle after positively commenting on the LDS ways.
I am saddened by her choice to become, and to remain, a JW. Truthfully, I cannot find much of anything to praise, grudgingly or otherwise, about them. I don't feel it has been a blessing or of benefit to her or to her family. She does admit that herself, but continues to make excuses for her religion, turns a blind eye to their failings, and is simply holding on by her fingernails, hoping The End Of This System will come tomorrow, if not tonight.
I love how you expressed your sentiments regarding the LDS Church, and especially the Temple. Hubby and I have been Temple workers for more than a decade and absolutely love it. Being there is just the greatest.
Welcome to this site, Lisa! There are many good people here.
Qmbr (Did I get your name right?) -- Thank you for responding to that ridiculous list of supposed Mormon bad examples. It had to be the single most blatantly false list I've read on this site yet -- and there have been some doozies! Mostly I just laugh at them. Few are worth bothering to reply to.
DoubleEdge -- Nice to see you again! As always, your comments are balanced and enjoyable!
Susan
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Ghosts, Demons, or Imagination?
by ButtLight inok, its happened again!
but not to me this time, my 12 year old son.. last night he fell asleep on the couch, so i left him there and went to bed.
he wolk up about 3 am, and walked upstairs to his bedroom.
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Please don't discount what your son has experienced based on those who simply can't believe in anything paranormal. Many of us have lived in houses where such things happen, usually experienced only by certain people. In one house, though, they were experienced by everyone in the family, while wide awake and all together in one room.
We don't bother to go into that with people, though, as the reaction is usually less than positive. Like was already said on this thread, if you've experienced it yourself, you know it's real. If you haven't, it's easily dismissed in any number of ways.
Doctors are not known for believing in anything they can't examine under a microscope. They'll most likely send him to a child psychiatrist who will put him on meds he doesn't need. Please use caution in taking this route. If you think something physical might be the cause, it might be wise to request a physical without giving the details you shared with us.
You may have a very special child who is more aware of things around him than most would be. He needs your support and understanding.
Good luck and God bless.
Susan
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New System Questions
by sandy inok, so the new system is just around the corner, right?
if you mary your deceased best friend's fiance what happens when the three of you meet up again in the new system?
i mean i know the reasoning that the dead will be resurrected to perfection and will feel no more physical pain but what about the emotional pain?
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Actually, both Mormon widows and widowers are free to remarry, as are those who are divorced. We believe strongly in the value of family life. Susan